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    Quote Originally Posted by TimTiro View Post
    Hi Guys, how has payment been recently for everyone with 21bet?
    I am once again in arrears since January.

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    Yh i still haven't heard anything back, have contacted their betting licence holder who managed to get me a reply last time so here's hoping. Have lined-up debt recovery company too - i think they think i might give up at some point, but i won't, the interest will be adding up... will look into contacting their hosting company too. Had contacted directly the owner of Viktra, Richard Hogg, many times but he never replied, would be interested to hear anyone's experiences with him in the industry.

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    Hello,

    21bet affiliates owes us over 50K, debt accumulated from July to December.

    Richard Hogg claims Viktra business has nothing to do with 21bet which is of course false, Viktra paid for 21bet several times and James Hudson (new 21bet CEO) even sent me a proof of payment baring Viktras name on Skype.

    We have already sent a debt collection agency after them but so far with no luck.
    FSB, the license holders also seem reluctant to help, we spoke to their CEO and another represantative and they basically claimed they have no liability but will check, which of course let to nothing.

    Richard Hogg is launching new sports betting ventures with FSB as we speak BTW, so obviously they just don't care.



    I would very very strongly recommend not promoting their products if you hope of ever getting paid

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    Hi Guys,

    We received a liquidation letter from them today.

    If you are currently sending them traffic, you should probably stop.

    They have a large balance outstanding with us and based on the letter it doesn't look like anyone is going to get there money. I am not sure if the details of their debts are allowed to be shared and the creditors listed may not want all their names disclosed which is why I am not posting the contents on the forum.

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    Hi Randall,

    a couple of questions if you could answer, if you can't I get it. PM can also work...

    Which company sent the notice? Viktra? , Play To Central ?
    Who signed the letter?
    Is there an accounting or law firm in charge?


    Was pretty obvious we were headed in this direction, too bad no one is going to be held accountable for what was obviously criminal negligence at best.

    so it goes...

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    Hey,

    I appologise for the late reply. I tried to send you a pm but as you can see, I don't really post on the forum so I am am unable to pm currently.

    The letter referenced Viktra, it was signed by Richard and it is from a UK based insolvency practioner.

    I believe you will receive the same letter sometime in the next couple of days.

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    Thanks Randall,

    I wonder what will happen with to play central (registrar for 21bet.co.uk) and Aureta Gaming Solutions (21bet.com regsitrar and operating company), both also directed by Richard.
    Personally, I intend to pursue those entities as well, so until they are liquitaed as well, not over.
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    We are in a similar position but would like to avoid a "throwing good money, after bad money" scenario which could easily happen in a case like this.

    It is so easy for a casino to divert income away from the marketing company entity which is something that the UKGC and MGA need to try and resolve as the industry continues along the path of regulation and legitimization.

    We have a strong suspicion that they are going to spin up another white label betting/casino brand in the near future under a new entity. If this is the case, fellow affiliates should be made aware of how unethically 21Bet was run.
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    I'm pretty sure they are already doing it,

    I know we will be sharing our experiences as we see them with other affilaites and industry people

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    Same here, we have received a letter regarding their liquidation. So stop promoting them as you won't get paid for sure.

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    Catena media is promoting their .com site on their UK sports betting site

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    Email address dan.cook@21bet.com bounced back. Anyone have another email contact aside Affiliates@21bet.co.uk

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    Apologies to bump an old thread, but wondering how you guys progressed with the legal action?

    Be useful to know which registered company you filed against. Was it Aureate Gaming Solutions?

    Quote Originally Posted by TimTiro View Post
    Yh i still haven't heard anything back, have contacted their betting licence holder who managed to get me a reply last time so here's hoping. Have lined-up debt recovery company too - i think they think i might give up at some point, but i won't, the interest will be adding up... will look into contacting their hosting company too. Had contacted directly the owner of Viktra, Richard Hogg, many times but he never replied, would be interested to hear anyone's experiences with him in the industry.
    Quote Originally Posted by optival View Post
    Hello,

    21bet affiliates owes us over 50K, debt accumulated from July to December.

    Richard Hogg claims Viktra business has nothing to do with 21bet which is of course false, Viktra paid for 21bet several times and James Hudson (new 21bet CEO) even sent me a proof of payment baring Viktras name on Skype.

    We have already sent a debt collection agency after them but so far with no luck.
    FSB, the license holders also seem reluctant to help, we spoke to their CEO and another represantative and they basically claimed they have no liability but will check, which of course let to nothing.

    Richard Hogg is launching new sports betting ventures with FSB as we speak BTW, so obviously they just don't care.



    I would very very strongly recommend not promoting their products if you hope of ever getting paid

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    We didn't go down any further routes, in comparisons it was a smaller sum ours, even if it was well into 4 figures. But I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for the next Richard Hogg ventures and putting a spotlight on it - it'll be another case of running up debts under a different company name while 21bet continues as it ever did.

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    Is there a proven link between 21bet.co.uk and 21.com ?
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