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    I have 300 sign-ups, 0 depositors, please don't tell me that 300 user loses their time just to sign up and no one deposit 1 euro.

    So guys from 1xbet, how can you explain this?

    I will not give you my username, here's a lot of people complaining about this.

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    Do you have country or IP data? Are they African signups?
    Currently there is a vast amount of traffic from Kenya and Nigeria through sports betting with their new shiny mobile phones.
    But they have limited cash and no online payment methods.

    I think that they're hoping for no deposit free bets - because otherwise they're unable to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    Do you have country or IP data? Are they African signups?
    Currently there is a vast amount of traffic from Kenya and Nigeria through sports betting with their new shiny mobile phones.
    But they have limited cash and no online payment methods.

    I think that they're hoping for no deposit free bets - because otherwise they're unable to play.
    Well now you really have me curious. I skipped this presentation at LAC, but now I want to go back and watch it. It was titled:

    The African Market - what you need to know about the opportunities

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    All the users are from European Countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    Well now you really have me curious. I skipped this presentation at LAC, but now I want to go back and watch it. It was titled: The African Market - what you need to know about the opportunities
    I tried to listen to the show ... but I never heard a hard number on player value.

    My experience (based on about 100 signups) is that it's about 100 - 200 Kenyan shillings per player (about $1 to $2).
    It's extremely low value.

    And the player skill is almost zero - looking for long lists of 10, 20 games combos - always searching for "sure wins".
    It's very, very low skill, low rent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torrescarlos View Post
    I have 300 sign-ups, 0 depositors, please don't tell me that 300 user loses their time just to sign up and no one deposit 1 euro.

    So guys from 1xbet, how can you explain this?

    I will not give you my username, here's a lot of people complaining about this.
    I think your stats are fine...u promote scam and on the other side u get scammed - what i wrong with this ?
    Sounds fair and logical to me...

    Karma~

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    I promoted scam because I saw this "scam" site is a premium affiliate here.

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    I think your stats are fine...u promote scam and on the other side u get scammed - what i wrong with this ?
    Sounds fair and logical to me...

    Karma~

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    Quote Originally Posted by torrescarlos View Post
    I promoted scam because I saw this "scam" site is a premium affiliate here.
    They are not premium affiliate. They are a sponsor because they pay a sponsorship fee. They also spend a lot of money on big booths on conferences and I don't think former football star Pirlo promote them for free.

    But lots of complaints of players that don't get paid.

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    Then shame of gpwa for promoting them, is gpwa fault, I know about 1xbet from here, I saw them above bet365, on the main page of gpwa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torrescarlos View Post
    Then shame of gpwa for promoting them, is gpwa fault, I know about 1xbet from here, I saw them above bet365, on the main page of gpwa.
    Yes

    Many programs here (not all)u should simply ignore or touch it with a long wooden stick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    I tried to listen to the show ... but I never heard a hard number on player value.

    My experience (based on about 100 signups) is that it's about 100 - 200 Kenyan shillings per player (about $1 to $2).
    It's extremely low value.

    And the player skill is almost zero - looking for long lists of 10, 20 games combos - always searching for "sure wins".
    It's very, very low skill, low rent.

    I managed to get through about half of it last night. The commentators were asked directly about player value and said "it wasn't fair to compare".

    They also said that player value was very low compared to European books. One said brand loyalty was high, another said it was low. All agreed that the margins were extremely high (30% vs 5%) because the punters were terrible.

    They corroborated your statement saying that Africans were playing "not 2:1 odds to buy beer, but 30 team parlays for life changing money" (paraphrased).

    I don't recall what payment app it was, but there was some crucial payment processor that a site had to have or it got virtually no African business. Most users don't have email addresses, only mobile phones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    I don't recall what payment app it was, but there was some crucial payment processor that a site had to have or it got virtually no African business. Most users don't have email addresses, only mobile phones!
    That will be MPESA (Mobile Payment ... something something something) ..
    From what I can see ... effectively you can bet with your phone credit balance.

    EDIT : Wikpedia is your friend ... (M for mobile, pesa is Swahili for money)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa



    ---- MORE : ----

    It seems it's quite a sophisticated deposit / withdrawal system on your phone based on SMS messages.
    It seems expensive for what it is (27-66 KSh per transfer) - I am surprised at it's uptake.

    Money seems scarce - salaries in Kenya are between 30,000 - 40,000 KSh per month ($300 - $400).
    And given the players absolutely awful betting skills they are best advised not to waste their money.

    It's a bottom feeding market - I should really block them - but I like the traffic signal it sends google.
    Last edited by TheGooner; 20 May 2018 at 6:13 pm. Reason: Added Wikipedia's M-PESA entry link.

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    My ratio is better, maybe 1:50. Interestingly the African traffic converts much better than the premium traffic, but value of players is extremely low. 1xbet does extremely well in Portugal.

    I think many things are to "blame", but the worst one is banking with many options, but confusing and constantly changing. E.g. they lost and found SEPA transfers for few weeks. Instead of many shitcoins through 3rd party processor would be enough to have just bitcoin at fair value and so on.

    Their retention team is probably not doing a good job as well.

    But I believe their affiliate program is fair, which surprised me. They just have much more signups than it is usual and much worse reg/NDP rate.
    There is no upper age limit but people over 60 years old are not recommended to trade bitcoin in consideration of price volatility and risk tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torrescarlos View Post
    I have 300 sign-ups, 0 depositors, please don't tell me that 300 user loses their time just to sign up and no one deposit 1 euro.

    So guys from 1xbet, how can you explain this?

    I will not give you my username, here's a lot of people complaining about this.
    Hi,

    I would appreciate, however, if you'd send me your username via PM. Certain affiliate problems may arise from the primary traffic they're receiving and so every problem is reviewed on case-by-case basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    My ratio is better, maybe 1:50. Interestingly the African traffic converts much better than the premium traffic, but value of players is extremely low. 1xbet does extremely well in Portugal.
    And Turkey too

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    The posts covering copyrighted movies and brand advertising have been moved to their own thread so this thread can stay on the original topic of conversion ratios (possibly due to player geographical reasons)

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    I am missing any revenue numbers from 1st June. Just zeroes. Anyone else?
    There is no upper age limit but people over 60 years old are not recommended to trade bitcoin in consideration of price volatility and risk tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    I am missing any revenue numbers from 1st June. Just zeroes. Anyone else?
    PM me if the stats weren't updated yet.

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    In all the negativity I want to show some respect to 1xbet now. Got my first player from Sweden few days ago (I do not promote them there much, because there are still solid bookies like Unibet), his 1st deposit was 2.5K, second day 9K. He seems to be losing almost everything and 1xbet seems to handle it fair for me.

    Their affiliate program is simply surprisingly fair so far unlike almost all other European bookies.

    I just secretly hope that once this guy hits his lucky win, he will be paid without hesitation. Because not paying whales is a really bad business decision, because the whale will turn elsewhere.
    There is no upper age limit but people over 60 years old are not recommended to trade bitcoin in consideration of price volatility and risk tolerance.

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