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    Default Affiliate4You.org Software Fairness Questions

    In the thread http://www.gpwa.org/forum/questions-...nt-199012.html, several affiliates asked about what software powers the casinos represented by Affiliate4You.org and whether the outcomes of that software are determined fairly.

    The original thread covered a large number of topics and questions, making it difficult to easily follow the discussion on any single topic. There is a discussion about copyright and intellectual property standards (here), which has questions about the software as well, but because they are both detailed topics this thread is specifically about whether the software operates fairly.


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    There were three questions raised about software fairness.

    1) What testing was conducted, if any, and by whom?

    2) The casino software website sales noted "You can regulate the percentage of wins and losses, calibres wins and other." It is standard practice for most gaming software companies to enable their clients to set slot percentages at the time that the software is set up, either completely based on the operator's choosing or based on a set of established percentage choices. Does the sentence on the sales site mean that different types of win percentages can be chosen other than initial setup of slot games? If so, what can be changed and when?

    3) Michael Shackleford, a gaming statistician who runs the site wizardofodds.com, raised an issue with a game on B3W in November 2006. Because several of the games on Casino4You software are extremely similar or nearly identical to some games on B3W software, there was a question about whether the B3W results error from 2006 may also occur in the equivalent games from Casino4You. This is a two part question: a) Is B3W software and Casino4You software the same? b) If they are the same software, was the result error corrected?
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    Hey guys,

    It has been quite some time you set some questions about software but couldn`t answer until now. As Steven said, my boss was quite busy working on opening new hotel outside of town. I managed to get some answers...

    1) What testing was conducted, if any, and by whom?

    - RNG testing was done by company RuSystems LLC, well known in Russia by its projects in the field of web consulting.
    Anyone who need a copy of that certificate can contact us and we will send it.

    2) The casino software website sales noted "You can regulate the percentage of wins and losses, calibres wins and other." It is standard....

    - This sentence was a result of one clumsy statment and has been changed. Percentage is set initially when someone is buying a casino and is considered final so nth can`t be changed afterwards...

    3) Michael Shackleford, a gaming statistician who runs the site wizardofodds.com, raised an issue with a game on B3W in November 2006. Because several of the games on Casino4You software are extremely similar or nearly identical to some games on B3W software, there was a question about whether the B3W results error from 2006 may also occur in the equivalent games from Casino4You. This is a two part question: a) Is B3W software and Casino4You software the same? b) If they are the same software, was the result error corrected?

    - All our games were written by programmers of company InternetCash (Ukraine) on request of FORDLEX S.A. (Panama) (we have all documents about it). Graphic is created by freelance graphic designers on request of InternetCash (Ukraine) and software is written by guys from InternetCash (Ukraine). Software is owned by company FORDLEX S.A. (Panama) and promoted by company FORDLEX LLP (UK)<m:smallfrac m:val="off"><m:dispdef><m:lmargin m:val="0"><m:rmargin m:val="0"><m:defjc m:val="centerGroup"><m:wrapindent m:val="1440"><m:intlim m:val="subSup"><m:narylim m:val="undOvr"></m:narylim></m:intlim></m:wrapindent>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    Hey guys,

    It has been quite some time you set some questions about software but couldn`t answer until now. As Steven said, my boss was quite busy working on opening new hotel outside of town. I managed to get some answers...

    1) What testing was conducted, if any, and by whom?

    - RNG testing was done by company RuSystems LLC, well known in Russia by its projects in the field of web projects.
    Anyone who need a copy of that certificate can contact us and we will send it.

    2) The casino software website sales noted "You can regulate the percentage of wins and losses, calibres wins and other." It is standard....

    - This sentence was a result of one clumsy statment and has been changed. Percentage is set initially when someone is buying a casino and is considered final so nth can`t be changed afterwards...

    3) Michael Shackleford, a gaming statistician who runs the site wizardofodds.com, raised an issue with a game on B3W in November 2006. Because several of the games on Casino4You software are extremely similar or nearly identical to some games on B3W software, there was a question about whether the B3W results error from 2006 may also occur in the equivalent games from Casino4You. This is a two part question: a) Is B3W software and Casino4You software the same? b) If they are the same software, was the result error corrected?

    - All our games were written by programmers of company InternetCash (Ukraine) on request of FORDLEX S.A. (Panama) (we have all documents about it). Graphic is created by freelance graphic designers on request of InternetCash (Ukraine) and software is written by guys from InternetCash (Ukraine). Software is owned by company FORDLEX S.A. (Panama) and promoted by company FORDLEX LLP (UK)<m:smallfrac m:val="off"><m:dispdef><m:lmargin m:val="0"><m:rmargin m:val="0"><m:defjc m:val="centerGroup"><m:wrapindent m:val="1440"><m:intlim m:val="subSup"><m:narylim m:val="undOvr"></m:narylim></m:intlim></m:wrapindent>
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    So what is RuSystems LLC website address?

    Is this the outfit RuSystems LLC that done the RNG Testing? I really hope not!

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    Don't think this is it... http://www.rusystems.ru/

    and it also does not look like this is it either... http://rusystems.com/ That is the website linked up in the footer of the page located here...

    http://www.goldcitycenter.ru/index.p...nashi-partnery

    Also notice the mention of the InternetCash Corp in the pic above...

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    This what you `ve found is web site of Gold city hotel complex. At the moment website of RuSystems is under the construction. If you need a certificate tell it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    This what you `ve found is web site of Gold city hotel complex. At the moment website of RuSystems is under the construction. If you need a certificate tell it...
    So how long have RuSystems LLC been doing RNG testing on gaming systems and games fairness?

    And do you have any documentation to back up any claims that
    RuSystems LLC is not just a newly formed or storefront company?

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    And on a more serious note...what Legit company tests the fairness of their own software with their own company and RNG Testors!

    Can someone please put a fork in all this nonsense already...

    Or do you guys want fries with that order too?

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    Lets put this to rest straight away shall we. Would Affiliate4you and their casinos be willing to allow an independent RNG testing company that the GPWA could arrange, to checkout everything. Then after that test is complete the true answer to these issues will be answered.

    I totally agree with The Gambling Guru, this testing should not have been done with a company in your country, let alone a company that obviously isn't established properly. Or do you guys own this newly established RNG testing company as well?

    Also i have searched everywhere for this company in Russia RuSystems LLC and cannot find it anywhere. Could you provide us with contact details please.
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    Who made the graphics for the slots?

    affiliate4you or b3w? Your answer says your own team created them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Players Luck - Jamie View Post
    Lets put this to rest straight away shall we. Would Affiliate4you and their casinos be willing to allow an independent RNG testing company that the GPWA could arrange, to checkout everything. Then after that test is complete the true answer to these issues will be answered.
    it isn`t a problem. yes sure.

    something just to remind you, as i mentioned on another thread, we have recently started licensing process on malta so RNG testing will be arranged by malta licensing company so hope this will be legit enough for all of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    it isn`t a problem. yes sure.
    Ok we have some progress. Now could the GPWA arrange this or contact a firm that will be able to do this. At least that way there will be a fair report written. It will be in the best interest for the program and the affiliates here at GPWA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckytime Marin View Post
    it isn`t a problem. yes sure.
    Thanks for being open to the independent testing Petr...

    Quote Originally Posted by Players Luck - Jamie View Post
    Ok we have some progress. Now could the GPWA arrange this or contact a firm that will be able to do this. At least that way there will be a fair report written. It will be in the best interest for the program and the affiliates here at GPWA
    Agreed and agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGamblingGuru View Post
    Thanks for being open to the independent testing Petr...



    Agreed and agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGamblingGuru View Post
    So how long have RuSystems LLC been doing RNG testing on gaming systems and games fairness?

    And do you have any documentation to back up any claims that
    RuSystems LLC is not just a newly formed or storefront company?

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    as soon as i find out i `ll write it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grem View Post
    Who made the graphics for the slots?

    affiliate4you or b3w? Your answer says your own team created them.
    so let me repeat once more:
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