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Originally Posted by Ixian
By the looks of things it seems like I should start preparing that list.
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Then please do. After all, you've already added so many facts to this debate I'm certain you can clear everything up for the industry in short order. Tell us all the facts you have tucked away and get us back on track, please.
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Originally Posted by Ixian
Most of the industry knows that this is a personal vendetta between you and CAP.
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That's quite possibly the most ignorant statement of this entire matter. There are absolutely no "vendettas" on my side toward CAP, and as far as Lou and Warren go this is just standard business proceedures, not a vendetta. You're simply repeating "hot button" words you've heard used on 'other' boards to distract people from the truth. Nice try.
Lou has banned countless people at CAP and PAP who only question them or disrupted the flow of the gravy train. They extort rediculous sums of cash from programs. They are the most litigious people in the industry. And they bully, threaten, and have ripped off almost every "idea" they currently promote as their own.
You're interested in the truth? Try asking yourself why so many people in all walks of this industry keep saying the same negative things about how Lou conducts business and treats people. Are they
all wrong? Lemme guess, they
all have a some misplaced personal "vendetta" against poor Lou and Warren who have never done a thing to bring this on themselves and are just the innocent victims over and over again. Wake up.
How many
professional deals have you had with these guys involving money behind closed doors?
How would you have any
first-hand knowledge of what you're now trying to debate, as if you are privy to something all the rest of us missed?
You really think this is all about people
"out to get" Lou and Warren after we've proven that Warren deliberatly mislead us with his statements?
You think it's all made-up facts when you see the
documentation and then Warren admits they have a profit interest in this company?
Do you think we're fabricating the fact that this is a complete
violation of trust and a conflict of interest, too?
You see all the facts and you
still drink the cool-aid.
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Originally Posted by Ixian
Just remember that when you point a finger at somebody there are three fingers pointing back at you.
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You can point whatever you want at me. I expect you to. Why? Because that's what the guilty do to defend themselves, and what Lou and Warren have done since we starting investigating Cardspike: Go on the attack to distract everyone from the facts, then play the victim.
Lou tried this when he went tottaly nutts over his
public address being shown
publicly... that didn't work.
Warren tried this same tactic when he called us
Nazis and insulted an entire race... that didn't work.
Now it's your turn to try by chalking up all the non-debateable facts we have shown you to a personal
"vendetta"... that won't work either.
Where were you and your white horse when Lou and Warren were caught making false statements, calling names, labelling us Nazis, and insulting a race of people? Where were your "vendetta" comments in our defense? Somehow, I suspect you can twist things to hold us responsible for all of their inexcusable behavior as well.
We need a little less "Pinkey" and a little more "Brain".
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Originally Posted by GamTrak
No one is insulting your personal intelligence or ethics for believeing the orignal story of 'ownership' so please don't do it to us.
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Robin, you know I love you, but there is so much you don't know and we can't say just yet. I appreciate your delicate position and i hope you understand ours.
To be fair, the orginal story about CAP possibly owning Cardspike was reported by Gambling 911. The APCW simply investigated and asked questions about that serious accusation.
Lou and Warren never said a word about the story until we pushed, then they
flat denied all connections until we
showed a connection.
Lou and Warren eventually admitted that a connection existed, but claimed they had
no profit interest in Cardspike until we
showed they did.
Are you noticing a pattern here? If we didin't follow the trail on this, you would know nothing about how CAP is tied into Cardspike... would that be better for everyone?
Are you for open, honest, and transparant business practices in this industry? Do you believe Warren and Lou have been open, honest, and transparant about this issue?
Let's have a beer in London.
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