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    Hello everyone, I've been doing affiliate marketing via SEO for the past 7 years, we've ranked probably close to a thousand of our client sites in the last 7 years, and I ranked tens of my own affiliate sites, just recently decided to shift my efforts to casino affiliate and thought to create this thread to share some knowledge.

    I own a 300+ PBN site network, have experience with all types of links, you name it - PBNs, guest posts, 301s, diversity links, link insertions, an everything from the whitest of white hat links to the blackest pits of hell. Have been doing all sorts of A/B tests when it comes to links for the past couple of years.

    You can ask me anything about SEO related on this thread.

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    My first question would be:

    What can you show us that prove that you know what you are talking about. Taking your word for it is not something many of the posters here will do for a brand new poster with no linked sites, SEO agency listed, etc. In other words, show us something you ranked, give us an idea how, etc.


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    Lets see some case studies then bud!

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    I own a 300+ PBN site network...
    LOL.

    Open-and-shut case then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    My first question would be:

    What can you show us that prove that you know what you are talking about. Taking your word for it is not something many of the posters here will do for a brand new poster with no linked sites, SEO agency listed, etc. In other words, show us something you ranked, give us an idea how, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by cantona07 View Post
    Lets see some case studies then bud!
    I get where both of you are coming from, obviously I won't be sharing my money sites (I don't get why some people have their money sites or any sites in their profiles, it's silly, it's not 1 or 2 times I was able to reverse engineer all of their stuff only by them having their secondary casino site in their profile, there's literally 0 benefit in doing so) or major research finds - something that took a lot of time and resources, but I'll see what can be shared this week and post here.

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    LOL.

    Open-and-shut case then.
    What?


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    Guys, this thread is not to boost myself as some sort of guru or sell you some ****, I want nothing in return, for me to jepordize my own stuff only to prove something would be silly, I can answer your questions about SEO, especially when it comes to PBNs

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    You might just find out that gambling is a bit more competitive than your average niche, and people got hellish skills and budgets to match.

    We're not jeopardizing our websites by publicly revealing the URLs - it is you who apparently needs to keep hiding.

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    ^^ First time I've seen Sherlock's new poetry. Amazing, like everything else he posts

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    I think maybe you wanted to post in the link seller section instead?

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    Alright a share that I promised, here are the results of testing the time it takes for the link juice to pass to a target site (no other conditions that could change the rankings of the target site within that time, or very minimal). Hundreds of different PBNs and different target sites:


    Testing this for many years Google is continuing to increase the time link juice passes to the site, on top of that based on certain conditions of the target site and the site linking to it it adds different variables, such as decreasing the rankings of the target site for an x amount of time, or increasing the rankings for an x amount of time and then dropping it lower to where it was before (if the link is toxic). You can get yourself into some serious trouble if you can't identify toxic sites/links (altho there aren't that many of them).

    The time-frame where google can do anything to the target site (increase then drop it, drop it then increase etc) is 10 weeks (even tho they say it's 2 months in their patents, maybe they increased it?) after 10 weeks you can see the real link value (this is based on hundreds of tests).

    When it comes to seeing the link juice, based on the target site and site linking to it you can see the first boost after a few days or 2 months, usually it's 2 months, then the second boost from that same link comes in about 6-8months.


    For the references, I first found out that it takes 10 weeks from tests and then found patent reiterating it, I haven't noted the specific patent, but have a list of the ones that I've read (a lot of them are very old) it's somewhere in there if you have the time and the will. They have some gems in there as well.

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    patft1.uspto.gov

    Patent names:
    Document scoring based on document inception date
    Document scoring based on DOCUMENT CONTENT UPDATE
    Document scoring based on LINK-BASED CRITERIA
    Document scoring based on traffic associated with a document
    Document scoring based on query analysis
    Changing a rank of document by applying a rank transition function
    Personalization of web search results using term, category, and link-based user profiles
    Determining quality of linked documents
    Determining a quality measure for a resource
    Reverse engineering circumvention of spam detection algorithms
    Modifying search results based on dismissal action associated with one or more of the search results
    Classifying sites as low quality sites
    Site quality score
    Ranking content using content and content authors
    Customization of search results for search queries received from third party sites
    Query augmentation
    Apparatus and method for detecting spam
    Presenting search result information
    Information retrieval system for archiving multiple document versions
    Feed upload for search entity based content selection
    Methods and apparatus for ranking documents
    Refining search results
    Preferred sites
    Obtaining authoritative search results
    Ranking search results
    Detecting spam related and biased contexts for programmable search engines
    Detecting spam search results for context processed search queries

    Selecting score improvements
    Method for Detecting Link Spam in Hyperlinked Databases
    Scoring links in a document
    Systems and methods for modifying the order of links presented in a document
    Spam detection for user-generated multimedia items based on keyword stuffing
    Spam detection for user-generated multimedia items based on concept clustering
    Spam detection for user-generated multimedia items based on appearance in popular queries
    Ranking of documents based on analysis of related documents
    Anchor tag indexing in a web crawler system
    Systems and methods for weighting a search query result
    Structured metadata extraction
    Methods and systems for extracting information from text
    Providing search results based on sorted properties
    Search result ranking and presentation
    Methods and systems for improving search rankings using advertising data
    Systems and methods for improved searching
    Ranking based on reference contexts
    Personalizing anchor text scores in a search engine
    Prediction of human ratings or rankings of information retrieval quality
    Deriving and using document and site quality signals from search query streams
    Ranking blog documents
    Providing blog posts relevant to search results
    Detecting click spam
    Bifurcated document relevance scoring
    Phrase extraction using subphrase scoring
    Modifying search result ranking based on populations
    Time based ranking
    Updating search engine document index based on calculated age of changed portions in a document
    Ranking search results based on similar queries
    System and method of providing information based on street address
    Modifying scoring data based on historical changes
    Modifying ranking data based on document changes
    Ranking search results based on anchors
    Temporal-based score adjustments
    Identifying topical entities
    Query modification
    Real time map spam detection
    Freshness based ranking
    Evaluating quality based on neighbor features
    Producing a ranking for pages using distances in a web-link graph
    System and method for ranking search results using click distance
    Framework for evaluating web search scoring functions
    Accentuating search results
    Website quality signal generation
    Rank-adjusted content items



    I hope some people will find value in this.

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    I would guess that lots of members' listed profile site isn't their main money-maker. Mine certainly isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionNet View Post
    I would guess that lots of members' listed profile site isn't their main money-maker. Mine certainly isn't.
    That's the thing, knowing one site it's possible to find other (main) sites in a lot of cases.

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    Like a lot of the old-timers here, I've been is this gig for 20 years, and I'm yet to see anyone; not one single soul, freshly arrive at an aff forum posting similar claims, who hasn't got a hidden agenda for posting. You might be that one in a zillion guy, but no one knows you.

    Anyone who was genuine, would post proof to their claims straight up. Of course they all have reason for not doing so
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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    Like a lot of the old-timers here, I've been is this gig for 20 years, and I'm yet to see anyone; not one single soul, freshly arrive at an aff forum posting similar claims, who hasn't got a hidden agenda for posting. You might be that one in a zillion guy, but no one knows you.

    Anyone who was genuine, would post proof to their claims straight up. Of course they all have reason for not doing so
    Hey mate, I made a good share above of couple of posts, it seems like it took a few days to get that post approved, would be interested in hearing your opinion as an old timer.
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    And from the January update what was your result form that? did you gain or Drop? Im curious to see if old school techniques are still working or as many a time i have seen started to go back on the builders

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    And from the January update what was your result form that? did you gain or Drop? Im curious to see if old school techniques are still working or as many a time i have seen started to go back on the builders
    Do you mean PBN tests, or money sites? In ether case not seeing any impacts by any updates since the YMYL update, and that was for a health site, due to reasons unrelated to links.

    So from owning close to 500 PBNs (using links only on my own sites) in the last 7 years (a lot of them sold off along with projects etc) I lost less than 20. They worked, are working and will work for the for foreseeable future, provided you take all the necessary precautions and know what you're doing.

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    What do you do to prevent competitors finding and reporting your pbn domains? I've used botblockers (wp plugins) but do not think they are perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfint12 View Post
    What do you do to prevent competitors finding and reporting your pbn domains? I've used botblockers (wp plugins) but do not think they are perfect.
    "Location: Mountain View"

    Nice try google...

    But for real, you can make your PBNs look like real sites. I won't elaborate on this but even if they don't look like real sites and get reported, the likely hood of getting a manual review is close to 0.

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    Welcome Juicer! I can see how much effort have you put in this post so I think you are not fooling around here. I have SEO XP for 12 years now and what I can say is that you need do to a lot of analytic research to know what's working and what's not. So I think it's a good idea to share your data whit others and vice versa.

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    since it is AMA..
    are you author of this? hxxps://diggitymarketing.com/11-pbn-experiments/
    Same structure, terms like toxic links, same pictures of SERP that say literally nothing etc.
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