Beware of bad seo company

[thebookiesoffers]

Surely Pagerank is what separates Google apart from all other search engines......it is dying a slow death but i think it is still useful to have a high pagerank for high rankings in the search engines.

If they encountered costs promoting your website then of course it would be a good idea to pay for some of the costs up front!!!

Yes but you are comparing pagerank that runs on a everflux system to that silly little green bar in the toolbar. Pagerank is always changing and is updated continuelly. That green bar you are referring to is one snapshot of time from between 3-9 months ago and is no way a ranking factor. If anyone tells you they are a PR 'whatever' they are basically guessing as the only people who really know what your pagerank is at a certain time are google.

Just to sum it up if you went up to a PR9 in that toolbar tomorrow you would not move anywhere in the SERPS because of it

[Freebetsuk7]

Yes i have read that Pagerank is only updated every 3-4 months!

I would not kick a Pagerank 9 back in Google`s face though!....lol

[thebookiesoffers]

Yes i have read that Pagerank is only updated every 3-4 months!

I would not kick a Pagerank 9 back in Google`s face though!....lol

No, you have read it wrong, pagerank is constantly updated. The crap toolbar that people get excited about is updated whenever google can be bothered. They are two totally different things. I havent a clue what toolbar score I have and don't really care. I am almost certain I could go and get a link from a TBPR 8 or 9 within half an hour but I am absolutely certain it wont help my rankings

[Freebetsuk7]

Well you are more than welcome to throw the Pagerank 8+9`s my way!.....lol

[thebookiesoffers]

Well you are more than welcome to throw the Pagerank 8+9`s my way!.....lol

why would you want it if it doesn't increase any rankings at all? I'd prefer a "nofollow" link on a relevant forum, at least that may send a little bit of targeted traffic

[Freebetsuk7]

Well if they had a Pagerank 8 or 9 it would mean that they were a highly authoritative site and they are the sort of backlinks you should be looking for in my opinion........

[thebookiesoffers]

Well if they had a Pagerank 8 or 9 it would mean that they were a highly authoritative site and they are the sort of backlinks you should be looking for in my opinion........

it can't pass any authority if it isn't relevant.......

[Freebetsuk7]

Well if you are collecting backlinks that are mainly relevant and on the same subject i cannot see how Google is going to see that as "Natural" link building which is clearly written in the Google guidelines what they are looking for!!!!

Granted it is good to have relevant backlinks but mixed in with other backlinks such as social bookmarking to give a "Natural" appearance overall

[catchingsmoke]

guys your both wrong, Pagrank means sod all it's a constantly outdated metric, but it's not the sites overall relevance that is the be all and end all, it's simply the content it's placed in ie the article.

Are you telling me a link from the BBC in an article about online casinos wouldn't help you rank for online casino?

Because simple put the BBC doesn't do paid links. (although a lot of british newspapers do - being where I have seen these results from).

high authority sites are good and highly relevant ones are aswell. But you have your quality signals messed up. these days google looks at a ton of factors best thing to do when building links now is to think, does this site have merit and was it built for a user. If yes see next question.

Does the site look like it is selling links all over the shop, is the outbound high?

If the answer is no then look at placing a link.

Simple!

And social bookmarking is a waste. Look more at creating viral buzz on social media. That helps, bookmarking doesn't really do much anymore. (there's my two cents on the subject).

[catchingsmoke]

Also there is a lot more to looking natural than the linking sites theme spread, you've got homepage/deeppage ratios, variety of anchor, brand based links, hell even "view site" links should be placed to look truely natural, then you have IP spread. Type of site (forum,directory,proper site etc).

But anyway, I don't want to go on and on and on, and write a book on link building.

I hope that helps settle the debate a little bit.

[Freebetsuk7]

Well i do not think social sites are a waste of time.I get very direct traffic from my Twitter following.

You are probably right about the subject as been the most important aspect and not the sites content overall.

[thebookiesoffers]

guys your both wrong, Pagrank means sod all it's a constantly outdated metric, but it's not the sites overall relevance that is the be all and end all, it's simply the content it's placed in ie the article.

Are you telling me a link from the BBC in an article about online casinos wouldn't help you rank for online casino?

Because simple put the BBC doesn't do paid links. (although a lot of british newspapers do - being where I have seen these results from).

high authority sites are good and highly relevant ones are aswell. But you have your quality signals messed up. these days google looks at a ton of factors best thing to do when building links now is to think, does this site have merit and was it built for a user. If yes see next question.

Does the site look like it is selling links all over the shop, is the outbound high?

If the answer is no then look at placing a link.

Simple!

And social bookmarking is a waste. Look more at creating viral buzz on social media. That helps, bookmarking doesn't really do much anymore. (there's my two cents on the subject).

think you need to go and re-read what I have wrote mate because I know for a fact everything I have wrote is spot on.

pagerank in it's true form is a very important ranking factor, it is the 'im PR 3,4,5,6' rubbish Im getting at that is not important whatsoever.

the other poster is claiming that because a page (well he thinks site, but it is page) has a decent PR score on the toolbar it will help, it won't. Your example of a BBC link is exactly what I was getting at with relevancy, the example you gave could almost be classed as the 'silver bullet' in seo. what im getting at is someone find a blog with say a toolbar PR8 on say, bricklaying' and thinking it will help if the post a comment on there with a link to a casino site.
I think you and me are both singing from the same songsheet but just worded it different. If you want to PM me I can point you to an excellent resource that you might find interesting, if you are in the UK that is.

[thebookiesoffers]

Also there is a lot more to looking natural than the linking sites theme spread, you've got homepage/deeppage ratios, variety of anchor, brand based links, hell even "view site" links should be placed to look truely natural, then you have IP spread. Type of site (forum,directory,proper site etc).

But anyway, I don't want to go on and on and on, and write a book on link building.

I hope that helps settle the debate a little bit.

absolute spot on that

[Freebetsuk7]

At the end of the day i do not think anybody knows "exactly" what is the best SEO approach except the Google engineers who keep it a safely guarded secret.

[Freebetsuk7]

I am not quite sure what you mean by "view site" links?......you have lost me there!!!

And "IP Spread".....what do you mean by that?

I think it is great that everybody has a different view on SEO though as it shows that there is no complete set of rules to follow.

The Google guidelines only give you a basic guide and in my opinion they should be more specific.......such as how many backlinks can you get per day without getting a Google penalty?........i have heard the figure ranging from 10-500 per day but i am still clueless as to what is safe!!!!....lol

[catchingsmoke]

IP spread = variation between hosting IPs for example 1000 links from different sites with one IP address would look bad, 1000 links all from different sites on different IPs in different countries would look more natural.

And if you use tools to say view the most common anchor texts that someone may have (if they haven't been doing link building) quite often you will get things showing up like "view site" and "click here" as anchors, so to be truly natural you would have to include these in your link mix, secondly brand links and compound links are more natural than exact match anchors as well.

And Re Links I believe that there are certain times when you can hammer it and certain times you shouldn't and all link building should be somewhat incremental.

Ie. it is unnatural for a brand new site with limited content to get a ton of links, however if you're established and just ran a huge competition, you're going to get more than normal. Basically just don't fall into a pattern would be my advice. There is more to it than incremental link building, but that isn't a bad way to start there is also link spike theory (which suggests that huge spikes linking to a specific piece of content) look more natural as it simulated viral-ity and quite a few other schools of thought.

I could go on all day discussing pros and cons of various methods but anyhow.

[Freebetsuk7]

Thanks for explaining what you meant.I know what you mean now.

One thing that puzzles me in my niche of having a gambling related website is that other gambling sites seem only interested in collecting links from other gambling related websites,and i cannot see how Google is going to consider that "Natural" link building when ALL the links are coming from gambling websites only?

[Freebetsuk7]

Would it not be better to gather "natural" links from everywhere rather than just collect links from gambling sites only?

I would be interested to hear your views on that!

[thebookiesoffers]

Would it not be better to gather "natural" links from everywhere rather than just collect links from gambling sites only?

I would be interested to hear your views on that!

why would a mechanic in Dundee link out to a gambling site? wouldn't look very natural if it did

[Freebetsuk7]

Well members of this gambling forum leave links to SEO websites to help members with seo problems......so the SEO websites are receiving links from a GAMBLING related site and i am sure they are receiving links from other websites that are nothing to do with seo either,and so they are getting "natural links" from all over the internet and hence will have a "Natural" link building profile in Google`s eyes!!!!!