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    Default Beware of BetVictor Affiliates - Closed account and stealing revenue

    Received the following from Betvictor, I was aware these guys are thieving clowns but luckily they don't convert very well for me. However they are stealing all my refereed customers and I will be losing money from this.

    It's a shame this happens.


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    I regret to inform you that after a thorough investigation of your affiliate account and your referred players your account has been closed for being in breach of our terms and conditions in specific:

    7.6 Good Faith

    You will not knowingly benefit from traffic known or suspected as being generated as a result of Fraud whether or not it actually causes BetVictor damage. BetVictor reserves the right to retain all Commission otherwise due to You under this Agreement ifBetVictor has reasonable cause to believe that such traffic has been directed in this manner regardless of whether You are aware of this.
    BetVictor reserves the right to withhold Commission and/or suspend or close accounts of Affiliated Customers where such Affiliated Customers are found or suspected to be using Fraud. BetVictor reserve the right to close your account if You only refer, or refer a high percentage of:
    - Player accounts closed by traders for arbitrage / unsuitable business,
    - player accounts closed by security,
    - player account bonus excluded by promotions,
    - player accounts linked to others closed for fraud, bonus abuse.
    Such situations to include but not be limited to referred players betting both sides of an event or market so as to limit risk and claim bonuses and or generate commission for the affiliate through this means.
    7.4 Continued Promotion

    You shall incorporate and prominently and continually display the most up-to-date links provided by BetVictor on Your website, and You shall not alter the form, location or operation of the links without BetVictor's prior consent. You are eligible for Referral Commissions based upon your continued promotion of BetVictor. BetVictor reserves the right to terminate Referral Commission if You cease to promote BetVictor. Your reduced or suspended promotion of BetVictor will be deemed to represent Your termination of Your appointment as an affiliate of BetVictor.
    5.3 Inactive Accounts
    BetVictor reserves the right to withhold Commission and close any Affiliate Account deemed to:
    - be inactive for a period of 3 months or more; or,
    - have not referred a minimum of 3 depositing players per month over a rolling 3 month

    • - have not referred at least 1 active, depositing player per calendar month.

    period.
    Decisions on inactivity are made at the discretion of the BetVictor Affiliates team but will be influenced by last login date, number of clicks, impressions and referrals. BetVictor shall notify the Affiliate that its account is an Inactive Account ("Inactive Account Notice"). If any funds remain in an account deemed Inactive, BetVictor reserves the right to retain any funds not collected within a period of 90 days from the date of the "Inactive Account Notice".
    10.7 Duplicate accounts and Self-Referral
    You shall not open more than one affiliate account without BetVictor's prior written consent nor will You earn Commission on your own BetVictor sports, casino, poker or games account or those of any third party connected with you in any way. The Affiliate Programme is intended for professional website publishers. Members of the BetVictor Affiliate program must adhere to BetVictorAffiliates single account policy.




    Full terms and conditions can be seen on the following link:



    http://www.victorsaffiliates.com/en-gb/terms-one.htm


    Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions however this decision is final and will not be reversed.

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    Jean
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    E-Mail: Affiliates.Security@betvictor.com
    http://www.victorsaffiliates.com/


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    They want to make up their minds, is it due to fraudulent or lack of activity they cannot have it both ways.
    Luckily they closed my account a few years ago, but at least I got commission due.
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    I refused to hand over my personal ID to BV (f**k that!) so they closed my account. Good riddance to them - I now cross-promote their intended visitors onto other brands

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    "have not referred at least 1 active, depositing player per calendar month."

    this is the real cancer rule on the market...this is the "legit" steal rule - i dont promote casinos with this rule.


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    Thanks for the heads up. I hope it's just a small loss for you. I was actually considering moving them to a better position. Needless to say that I changed my plans.

    Some programs will never understand that it's all about reputation and trust in this industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casaffiliate View Post

    Some programs will never understand that it's all about reputation and trust in this industry.
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    Yeah it's definitely a cancer term and condition. You can promote a company for 6 years then get thrown out after a few bad months. This is really unethical behaviour.

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    We as affiliates really should come up with a list of brands that operate like this and keep it published and updated somewhere, I think it would be very helpful.

    I would be happy to contribute, maybe a new thread that could be stickied somewhere? Overall there is so little comprehensive info out there that is easy to find for affiliate resources on brands that can be trusted, brands that can't. Quotas, minimums, carryover policies, all could be included. Just a thought because it is getting harder and harder to find good brands to work with (especially big brands).

    personally we push only a handful of brands hard but list a lot of others in various places - we need brands that are happy to accept what we give them, or we can't list them. I probably have some auditing to do.

    Also regarding BetVictor specifically - we used to do ok with them and listed them in good spots, after they were sold/purchased awhile back our revenue dropped significantly. I always found that to be a bit off.

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    Much easier to do a whitelist. My own is very short. I just had call with Bet365 - I was again impressed that they are on so different level to all UK shitbrands.
    We are all bloodsucking ticks, hungry, devious
    each one latched on to the ass of the previous
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    Quote Originally Posted by crowngate View Post
    Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions however this decision is final and will not be reversed.
    We got this same arrogant message from these mentally challenged oxygen thieves a few years back too. They went straight onto the blacklist.

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    In my own experience, the reason for quoting these two terms together as being the reason for your account closure will be entirely related to the activity and betting patterns of the few players you say that you have referred.

    Obviously I don't know your unique circumstances so can only comment in general but, to give the Operators side of the story...

    There are concerns whenever a partner refers a few accounts to begin with and then doesn't seem to be that active in sending further clicks, let alone further registrations. In the mean time if the activity of those few referred players shows certain patterns and frequencies then the pieces will fit together to raise the possibility that what they are seeing is actually a betting ring where a small number of bettors come together via a single affiliate and effectively mitigate any potential betting losses by sharing out the affiliate revenue generated by their losing bets.

    Now what the operator chooses to do about that when they suspect it or how they communicate a decision is another matter entirely. I'm not sure if looking at the circumstances I've described that it matches your experience, I'm just mentioning it in general terms.
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    It's theft pure and simple. I'm a small affiliate and they should be grateful for what can give them. Next we will be defending skybet! If only operators could follow bet365s example.

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    If you joined Bet Victor affiliates before these terms were introduced then they did not form part of your contract with them.

    If you are based in the UK, there is a legal process. It is cheap and easy to follow. A judge will decide whether they are in breach of contract or not, and if they are, the court will enforce payment.

    What they do sucks. It's wrong. But unless you do something about it, it will keep happening.

    justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part27

    citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/legal-system/taking-legal-action/small-claims/small-claims/

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    Ah Jean * the 'affiliate security officer' (what kind of job title is THAT?!) raises her ugly head again. The same stupid piece of excrement who I had to deal with when they closed my account.

    It's annoying to lose an account but with this lot I literally just laughed at them - the account earnt me peanuts.

    Jean came across to me as basically just another crap Little Hitler in an office enjoying the little bit of power she has in her life - I met a few of those in my previous office jobs.

    As ever: Focus on the good programs, leave these jokers to their disrespectful antics. They don't have any respect for you as an affiliate.
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    Anyone got a list of the brands still worth promoting? (I'm sure its short).

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    Quote Originally Posted by philrush View Post
    Anyone got a list of the brands still worth promoting? (I'm sure its short).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voids View Post
    Bet365
    I was going to post the same list, but I took a look at your football site philrush and I see you are 95% bet365 already. Sorry to narrow your options, but IMHO both 888 and Winner are dodgy as hell.

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