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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    99.99% of gambling traffic that I purchased in the past was pure garbage. No one who has genuine gambling traffic is going to sell it for a few dollars when they can use it to generate thousands of dollars for themselves.
    It's the equivalent of buying a 1160$ for a 1000 EUR in the current rate, and selling them to you for a 100 EUR because you know how to spend them better and I don't. Because they are telling you between the lines: we have quality gambling traffic we have no idea how to convert.

    I'm glad someone tried it so they can eliminate all "what ifs".
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    Quote Originally Posted by xecutable View Post
    it's most likely neither gambling nor targeted traffic. It's probably not even human but bots.
    That pretty much hits the proverbial nail of the head!

    When I 1'st started way back in 2000, being a newbie, I got conned by this traffic purchasing rort. It was fake then, just as it is now. Bot generated cr#p. The only thing it was good for was to artificially increase site hits on places similar to Alexa. That no longer works, hasn't for literally years.

    So buying traffic these days, is an even BIGGER waste of good cash, than it use to be!

    Anyone who tells you different, is one of the follow:

    • 100% totally clueless.
    • Has only posted (fake info) to raise their monthly-post-count or gain another in-bound link.
    • Holds a vested interest in such scams
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    Stay away from paid gambling traffic. It is mainly robots "attacking" your main page for couple of minutes, creating low bounce rate and causing you many other problems.
    Yes, robots can register and that's it.
    If someone owns, has or distributes such value of traffic, they will be using it for own purposes.
    It is 100 % scam !! Keep your money for better investements!!
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    Do you think bidvertiser is also bots? Its ppc like google but cheaper.
    There are many gambling sites, but my favorite one is the betting forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Skywalker View Post
    Do you think bidvertiser is also bots? Its ppc like google but cheaper.
    I get why people seek a cheaper alternative to G, especially for high-ranking-money-terms. However, there's always the risk of "click fraud". I'm not saying anything bad about Bidvertiser, or any other similar site. All I'm saying is, before I commence as Ad campaign, I'd be heavily scrutinising any site which offers this type of service, to find out how they ensure "click fraud" doesn't take place.
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    has anyone tried setting up paid ad campaigns with MGID or Propeller Ads? We talked to these guys both online and at conferences and they provide gambling traffic (even without requiring a proof of gaming license, like in the case of giants like Google)

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    Quote Originally Posted by petimi View Post
    (even without requiring a proof of gaming license, like in the case of giants like Google)
    What ,google need a license ?

    Turn the adblocker off and try some "normal" keywords...u will find many Casinos,Porn,Phishing and other crap in the results.
    Very popular are fake bitcoin wallets...

    U can promote every trash over google...u need only to know how..

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    Quote Originally Posted by petimi View Post
    has anyone tried setting up paid ad campaigns with MGID or Propeller Ads? We talked to these guys both online and at conferences and they provide gambling traffic (even without requiring a proof of gaming license, like in the case of giants like Google)
    No, but if you have tried already share your review about them.
    There are many gambling sites, but my favorite one is the betting forum

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    If you want to make money with "gambling" traffic, then sell "gambling" traffic. If you want to make money with actual gambling traffic, then buy media buys on actual sites.

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    Curious if anyone including operators has even one single success story about these CPA traffic/CPA network sites?

    They seem to be more agreesive in the gaming space than ever before. The above track record speaks for itself as not reliable traffic at all. A click to your site could actually be a manipulated bot impression. We tried mgid a few years ago with a different brand. No luck there in terms of FTDs. Traffic seemed bulky and we did see a few joins. Cost didn't justify a renewal. Over the years a few attempts have been made and usually the same results lots of cheap clicks and if lucky 1-5 joins.

    No matter how much money you spent on your test. The response will be that is too small a sample size and you'd need to do more. I don't think it's bot based but, you could have publishers that are using bots to create them more money. Unless you intimatley know who you are working with it's best to stay away and work on more traditional traffic placements.

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    Interesting post.

    Many online publishers have been offering guaranteed placement, time duration and advertising exposure via their website networks.

    Publishers are open to this, as it encourages quality and accountability. The brand / client deals directly with the publisher / head of the media company.

    We have many clients opting mainly for the 24 and 36 month deal across the Media Man website network.

    Brand managers also like to see the testimonials / references, which we have on both our websites and also on our LinkedIn profile.

    I hope our experiences are helpful to the readership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azureus View Post
    Some affiliates focus on paid traffic only, no SEO and just media buying.
    You must know how to do it and also the offers are a bit different.

    And it is getting more and more difficult. But it's worth it, why do you think a few years ago like half of all pop ads on the internet redirected to bet365?
    One year at LAC I met a few affiliate who just did media buys. They had it down to a science. They didn't just set up a campaign and pull the trigger and waited. They had real time feedback from their campaigns, and changed them real-time based on their metrics. It was impressive, and totaly foreign to what I knew (and still know). It can be done.

    It is also worth noting, that they made special deals with the brands before hand. Tailered their landing pages etc. All optimized for ROI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WagerX View Post
    One year at LAC I met a few affiliate who just did media buys. They had it down to a science. They didn't just set up a campaign and pull the trigger and waited. They had real time feedback from their campaigns, and changed them real-time based on their metrics. It was impressive, and totaly foreign to what I knew (and still know). It can be done.

    It is also worth noting, that they made special deals with the brands before hand. Tailered their landing pages etc. All optimized for ROI.
    It's always great to hear of successful case studies and of media, new media and marketing campaigns being done correctly.

    Bet365 are very smart operators, and the way the campaign was executed was a masterstroke. And, they are still kicking major goals.

    An early (internet) days example of another gambling company making a major splash is GoldenPalace. Remember the branded tattoo on the boxers back that was broadcast around the world and reported on in trade magazines and the like? In a few ways controversial PaddyPower borrowed ideas from them, especially in the shock value and "can you top this" edgy advertising and media images.

    In the past few years famous and somewhat infamous gambling tycoon Calvin Ayre (Bodog) has toned it down quite a bit from what I can seen. When did he become totally "above aboard", or is there still grey area with him and his brands? Recently sighted in Antigua and Barbuda? I understand he owns quite the mansion and estate in Antigua. Funny he didn't do to Virgin Islands, Malta or Gibraltar. To his credit he's stayed clear of Bitcoin and Cryptocurreny scandals which is more than can be said of U.S boxer Floyd 'Money' Mayweather. I supposed Floyd is a financial related scandal waiting to happen, hence the name. There's no denying his sporting or self promotional skills and abilities. Image the amount of money wagered on his fights over the decades, especially in the past 5 years with the explosion of the internet.

    I believe there's still golden opportunities for sports betting, igaming and even fintech related online ventures, and online based publicity and advertising in Australia, New Zealand, Macau and Canada. The U.S is obviously somewhat saturated, but there's always room for improvement and fine turning.

    Our network of websites does attracted quality traffic and some sites achieved Hitwise Australia awards, as well as Affiliate Operator Of The Month awards from companies such as Virgin Group - Virgin Games - Virgin Casino. We also worked pretty closely with bwin.party Digital Entertainment (now GVC Holdings) for many years).

    Sports and event stadiums are an interesting area if one plugs into the advertising, sponsorship and news media elements correctly. We did a lot of reporting and had some involvement with what is known as ambush marketing. Remember the Bavarian Beer Babes at the World Cup or the Sydney Olympics brand hijacking stuff? Formula 1 is an interesting sector, but some countries have lobbied to ban the Grid Girls. Banning something is a supreme compliment, but it can initially hit you in the back pocket.


    As the gaming, better and sports business keeps involving there will always be more opportunities. It's just a matter of picking out the right ones to focus on of course, and then as we know the goal posts can be moved by brands or government, so its good to be able to quickly adapt to market forces which can shift frequently and abruptly (a bit like Bitcoin's value).


    Following mainstream news media, industry niche media and even online forums can be useful to help identify and follow trends. A number of creative and advertising agencies and executives have been spotted in this space, and rightly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanoz View Post
    We have many clients opting mainly for the 24 and 36 month deal across the Media Man website network.
    Unless you've recently committed to a major overhaul and update of all-your-sites, then I'm truly mystified as to who would cut such deals.

    I don't wish to be nasty, but every site I've seen of yours is old-school design, and not mobile optimized. Worse, your main site (mediaman.com.au), hasn't changed in format for 10+ years. It's still using tables and font face, font color, font size attributes). It's a mix match of banner farm, come news, come close to everything and the kitchen sink.

    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanoz View Post
    there's still golden opportunities for sports betting, igaming ...<snip>... and online based publicity and advertising in Australia, New Zealand, Macau and Canada.
    Australia... huh???!!!
    Only if it's a sportsbook licensed and regulated in AU. FYI, there was little thing called the IGA which is now federal law as of August 2017. 99.9% of the casinos targeting AU now, are clip-joints.

    The ethical off shore casinos/sportsbooks who actually paid winners, they all left en masse when the IGA came into force.

    As far as being an affiliate for an AU licensed and regulated sportsbook, that boat has long sailed. Every man/woman and their dog out here (AU) have been bombarded with TV ads from Ladbrokes, UBet, Sportsbet etc., etc., so much so, these brands are burnt to their retinas. No need for affiliates when the BRANDS are on everyone's tongue.

    New Zealand... TV ads, that's just comical, not a duck's ass chance.

    Same story for Macau. My sister and her partner, recently return to AU, after living there for 5 years. He was employed in the gaming sector.

    Canada, I can't comment on.

    IDK mate, you might want to get up to speed on the present/current status quo of igaming...just sayin!

    EDIT: Given it seems your unaware of the IGA, it wouldn't be right if I didn't make you aware of the current law. EG - Given you reside in AU, mediaman.com.au is flying in the face a federal law by promoting casinos to AU citizen. Put simple, your leaving yourself open to being fined up to AU$1Mil per day, and are risking criminal charges too.

    I closed my .au site in August 2017. Additionally blocked all AU traffic on my igaming sites.
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    Thanks. I get your points. There's a few new ways of going things. I'm a media and sports agent, with a background in journalism. You are right about gaming brands being all over the media, television etc. And the internet is also saturated. We've had to adapt to the changing landscape quite a bit, and our business model has had to change considerably in the past few years. Globalization of the sector has been good and bad, but for the affiliate sector in a niche such as gaming I think there's been more negatives than positives. With less confidence in the financial world, I think the average punter is also spending less on gambling, both at land based casinos and online. Always good to throw around some ideas and viewpoints in the forums. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eenzoo View Post
    Can't agree - Of course, the majority of traffic from webtrafficgeek etc, are bots.

    To be successful in media buying is a full-time job. There are a lot of guys making tons of money through media buying for gambling offers. But you need knowledge, time, proper tracking (eg. Voluum), a good operator who can place a postback pixel at least and you need a serious monthly budget (min xx.xxx) to get enough data you can work with.

    There are millions of daily visits out there who are not 100% explicit gambling related but for sure suitable for gambling offers.

    To flip $100 or even $1000 to "test" without any kind of a plan and without the right setup it is just wast of time and money.

    Just a quote from a C-level manager i trust:
    This is completely irrelevant. Its one thing to place your ads on big news outlet and get traffic from there, and completely another story to buy 100k "real" users for $50. Like other posters already said, if you have ANY real targeted traffic, not just casino, ANY traffic, why sell it for pennies and not monetize it yourself? Its not rocket science to make a landing page and get the real money.. there are 20-30% commissions for knitting offers ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by achko View Post
    ..., if you have ANY real targeted traffic, not just casino, ANY traffic, why sell it for pennies and not monetize it yourself? Its not rocket science to make a landing page and get the real money.. there are 20-30% commissions for knitting offers ffs.
    That is nonsense and far from reality. I know so many website owners they build great sites and driving some traffic but they have no idea how to monetize the traffic properly. If someone is specialized in generating traffic then he should do THIS. If some great in conversion optimization he should do THAT. Its naive to think that you can buy traffic and handle that like your natural SEO traffic or just set up a lander and hope it will convert.

    I could show you easily 5 close friends they making $100k per month with selling his own SEO traffic via PPC to traffic brokers instead to try to send it directly to offers. And doubled or tripled his income after realizing that.

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    I used to work for a company before that had bought gambling traffic. Turned out that buying yesterday's newspaper might have been a better deal lol.

    One has to figure out the location from where the traffic is coming, duplicate entries (not so easy to detect), and extend of available information such as IP addresses and so on.

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