Can we trust affiliate programs 100%?

[Erogenous]

Juat a thought to get off my chest.
Can we trust affiliate programs 100%? I mean how do we know that every player that deposits is counted and is continued to be counted?

Can anyone set my mind in piece?

Cheers

[Anthony]

APCW audits programs to test their stats. If something does not track correctly we will let you know.

Nothing is 100% guaranteed.

[Skinski]

Nothing in life is is 100% guaranteed...cept death .

[Dominique]

Each has to earn trust IMO...

APCW audits and AGD terms reports help a lot and let you sort them out.

[Betpartners]

As the other posters have said nothing is 100% guaranteed in life.

But there are some very good trusted programs out there and while there is a lot of justifiable gloom in the industry it is far from being all bad and there are a lot of positives.

And one of those positives is the tools available to you via this site and many other similar sites as well as some very experienced and knowledgable affiliates offering sound advice for free in a variety of forums.

With due diligence you should be able to build a hard core of good trusted programs to work with.

[universal4]

Well said....I was hoping someone would answer this intelligently as I was just not up to it today....

Stop laughing everyone....I say some cool stuff once-in-a-while.....LOL

Rick
Universal4

[giggles7p]

Well said....I was hoping someone would answer this intelligently as I was just not up to it today....

Stop laughing everyone....I say some cool stuff once-in-a-while.....LOL

Rick
Universal4

Ok you big bad security self! lolllllll

[arkyt]

I mean how do we know that every player that deposits is counted and is continued to be counted?

You don't.

The best thing you can do is to make sure you build a close working relationship with the program(s). If they dont know you and/or you aren't around much I think they would have an easier time cutting corners.

As for audits; when reviewing them make sure the program being audited isn't also paying those doing the auditing.

[Magenti]

Nothing in life is is 100% guaranteed...cept death .

Death and taxes.

[MichaelCorfman]

As for audits; when reviewing them make sure the program being audited isn't also paying those doing the auditing.

Actually, I completely disagree with that comment. Most careful audits take time and require some level of funding. What is important is to be aware of the relationships and to be sure the auditing body is respected by others who use audits performed by the auditing body.

If the audits are a scam that awards "certified program" certificates for an advertising fee it is meaningless, and that has certainly happened. But most of the folks involved in audits are doing it because it is at the core of what they believe in and their audits represent them, and they care very much that they and their audits are perceived and being above reproach.

Michael

[bb1web]

Hi all.

that saying if you want something done right, do it yourself, is never more true than in this case.

Selective skimming does exist for the same reason that you need to have an audit in the first place.

Some ... will cheat you because they can. In their minds that is fair game. Its only cheating if you get caught mentatlity.

As Ark mentioned, watch who's paying and as Mr C mentioned ... it costs money to do a quality job.

So you're both right by my standards.


Audits, the "official" ones, usually are done with the one being audited .. having SOME sort of an idea it is going to happen so keep that in mind too.

Legits will welcome the audits as much as a way to check their system to see it is working correctly ... as to prove they are legit.

If a place is intent on cheating it can easily beat the system. That means the audits will catch only the innocently incompetent, and the truly stupid / arrogant (IMHO), and yes they do still get outed all the time.

That said, they (the audits) definitely need to exist because if they did not then the cheating would come out from behind its shadows to laugh openly in the face of its victims.

But if you want to know (well you can't know 100%, but this is by far the best) .. stop being so cheap and check your sponsors yourself. It'll be the best money you ever spent.

Everything is money-driven in this industry. Make no mistake. Money, is what this industry is about. We're not selling art we're SO proud of that we can barely bring ourselves to part with it.

Spend some of the money that would otherwise have been stolen from you ... ahead of when you actually get your hands on it. Make sure you have someone that cannot be connected to you ... that doesn't live in the same area as you .. such as you could connect my home by area code, state, zip code and country.

If I were cheating someone ... first thing I would do is make sure that if they went across the street to their neighbors house to sign up thru the program ... that it showed up.

Right?

So get an unconnected source who is competent (re-read that cause it is damn important) and have them gamble your money thru your links. Have them do it again in a few months. Check your stats, see if you are being cheated.k


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There's some good advice. Pay me back by stopping in over at gap once in a while. I'd appreciate it.

[bb1web]

Hi again,

I should have added that there are different sized players.

Obviously the big high rollers are most desirable.

Which would you siphon off first?

Then that means to do a reasonable quality testing .. you're gonna have to spend more than $50.

.....

btw: you can make it a contest to benefit your surfers but to quote from a highlander movie, i would save you that sorrow

pick your testers well because you will quickly find even the competent "chosen" ones ... will be a difficult enough task to make it work as you'd hoped.

you can either trust me on that .. or it will become painfully clear soon enough on its own

Cheers.

[arkyt]

pick your testers well because you will quickly find even the competent "chosen" ones ...

you can either trust me on that .. or it will become painfully clear soon enough on its own.

You've got that right... some who you would think might make a good tester could likely turn out to be one of the biggest mistakes you had ever made! It might even end up costing you tens of thousands of dollars or more!

[Anthony]

You've got that right... some who you would think might make a good tester could likely turn out to be one of the biggest mistakes you had ever made! It might even end up costing you tens of thousands of dollars or more!

Arkyt are you referring to some one specifically or are you making a general statement?

[webmacho]

Nothing in life is is 100% guaranteed...cept death .

and this is one and only Justice same for all

[baldidiot]

How do you go about finding players to test a program? Is it just a case of finding someone you know and trust, or has anyone set up a community of "testers for hire" that you can recruit from? Obviously the latter has downsides.

Out of curiosity, how much would you pay testers? Do you give them a set amount, say $50/$100 and say whatever they win/have left after an agreed amound of play they keep? Or would you give them a deposit to play with and then pay them an additional fee?

[arkyt]

How do you go about finding players to test a program? Is it just a case of finding someone you know and trust

When I do it, thats what I do ... course some who you think you could trust might turn out not to be in any way shape or form trustworthy - so be very careful/selective - there are more than a few wolves hiding behind the sheep's vail in this industry.

Arkyt are you referring to some one specifically or are you making a general statement?

Both ...

[eaton2003]

Nothing in life is is 100% guaranteed...cept death .

You are soo morbid ... I prefer the distance of time between my birth and death to be vast.

[Skinski]

You are soo morbid ... I prefer the distance of time between my birth and death to be vast.

And you sir could be no further from the truth. You don't even know me from Adam, and to even suggest that I'm morbid ? I have no desire to leave this earth either, but one day that time will come and I've been excepted that long ago.

[bb1web]

If you believe in an after life that provides an eternity to exist then the time we spend here in this life is likely shorter (in comparison) than the time it takes to shake another man's hand (in this world).

An eternity is so big its questionable whether our minds can truly gasp how big that is ... so from that perspective ... your time here is short.

Further along that thinking is if you believe that your morals will decide whether you get into the preferred place in the next life ... then it would be really, really stupid to consider cheating people in this life, seeing we're here for such a short time and as mentioned ... your morals decide your next stop in this existence.

And that's not making your time here any shorter friend, just putting how you choose to spend that vast amount of time ... into perspective to you for how long that next stretch of vast is going to be.