Thanks again or putting this altogether here Kaus. I'm also glad to see GPWA and everyone getting involved. Things like this Cardspike issue threaten the integrity of our entire industry and we must take a stand!
Thanks Kaus and everyone else contributing their thoughts. Leaves me wondering if there maybe others who are practicing the same business approach. For myself it would make sense, I mean leading affiliates to poison waters for the betterment of a few.
I suppose this is no longer theory concocted by some “villiage idiot” but rather fact. Fact indeed the intent of certified programs is, at times to falsely add trust force-feeding some affs Rat Poison.
I wonder who are the profiteers, the architects of such blatant scam. Frankly speaking, I am exasperated, disappointed, and disgusted. Most of us work pretty darn hard. Personally I tired of being treated like toilet paper and will with others peruse this issue with vigor.
Perhaps my sig says it all?
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I wanted to add to my post about gambling911 just so that we are clear. Being a forum owner I look out for my members (just like Michael does for us here), but you don't find that at gambling911. They will allow personal attacks and false information to turn from a morsel to a seven layer cake with no proof what-so-ever. I've seen if done over the seven years that I've been in the industry so anytime I see them involved in a story I get leary.
I'm the type that like to see FOR MYSELF the proof and not just aligation. This is some serious stuff so I would not take the ramifications lightly. Some folks may be greedy, power hungry attack dogs, but that does not make them stupid enough to jepordize thier livelyhood. . I guess time will tell.
Either way I"m for the players and affiliates getting paid.
Assuming it's not illegal for a US citizen to be the beneficiary owner of an online poker room, they would not be jeopardising their livlihoods.
I agree about Gambling 911. However, Michael is effectively saying the same thing, and I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't go out on a limb without being very confident in his sources.
This thread has many themes - but primarily it isn't really about CAP's potential ownership - but a warning about a poker room failing to meet their financial obligations.
I totally agree. Reading around, the poker affiliate community as a whole has effectively rouged Card Spike. It's really not about G911 either. Because CAP is mentioned actually makes it harder because of the accusations of hidden agendas and more 'cap bashing'.
Just like any apparent rouge situation, we need to get to the bottom of it. Just like Grand Prive and some of the rtg recycled curran casinos. Otherwise, as we've seen many times before, the perps will just reinvent themselves and potentially do it again. Whether it turns out to be cap or not, matted is correct and should be treated like any other damaging industry site IMO.
However, Michael is effectively saying the same thing, and I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't go out on a limb without being very confident in his sources.
If he was not there to see them sign the paperwork in person then IMO he is going out on a limb.
Hi mojo, Please tell me what other source is reporting this other than 911? I've not really followed it because I've been working like a dog, but I would be interesed to know who has the proof?
If he was not there to see them sign the paperwork in person then IMO he is going out on a limb.
Hi mojo, Please tell me what other source is reporting this other than 911? I've not really followed it because I've been working like a dog, but I would be interesed to know who has the proof?
Hi Robin,
Kaus has some in the first post here and here are some that someone posted elsewhere:
If he was not there to see them sign the paperwork in person then IMO he is going out on a limb.
Everyone is free to come to their own conclusions here and time will tell. I also have confidence in Michael and do not believe he would post lightly nor would dozens of poker affiliates. If a tree falls in the woods I don't need to see it fall to know it did. Hope that made sense lol!
I like Michael and only want the best for him and I'm concerned about the source because I believe The Professor when he sais that it's not true.
I'm just bummed that CAP and GPWA seems to be pulling further apart and I hate to see division like this in the industry. Not to say that I know the full story, but I like to SEE proof before I am asked to assume it's true.
Thanks Klaus. I had no idea at all about this until you made this post.
As far as making alligations public, I feel strongly that it is much better to go out on a limb with information from trusted sources, than it is to sit idly by while shadey acts may possibly be occuring. In this case, these alleged acts not only hurt individual players and affiliates, but the industry as a whole. If the accusations are false, it will be made known.
It's the price we all pay for any exposure no matter the size. There will be public scrutiny, and necessarily so, as self regulation is what keeps this industry as honest as it is. And the bigger you get, the more scrutiny and accusations you will face.
I guess time will tell.
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