checks not an option for payment utterly rediculous!

[bb1web]

quote:

not having a gambling related name will not end up making that much of a difference. If an account is set up in the US, and there is an attempt to obscure the payor, then that is money laundering under federal statutes

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*for some reason I can't find the quote button lol


anyhow, I'm curious, aren't most programs going to have checks written from banks outside the states anyway?

just curious.

[CityGuard]

Originally Posted by bb1web

*for some reason I can't find the quote button lol

It should be on the bottom right-hand side of each post, immediately to the left of the "Quick Reply" icon. Just overlooking it or is there a technical issue where it is not showing up? (If that's the case, I'll look into it. Would be helpful to get a screenshot of what you're seeing emailed to manager@gpwa.org.)

[MichaelCorfman]

Originally Posted by bb1web

... I am concerned about players than ourselves.

It is not IMHO a likely scenario that the players are going to keep jumping from whatever ewallet is currently considered to be the solution.

More frightening is that with each ewallet they join, they stand to lose or have money tied up in that place.

All well and good, but it still leaves one very big problem. If you can't pay winners, the deposits are going to wither and dry up.
I very much welcome any reasonable solutions to the above from any source.

Please understand I'm not trying to argue with anybody, nor be defiant. I'm simply (as always) seeing things from a player's pov.

right now, it ain't pretty any way you put it.

players are quickly losing confidence; that is: those who are even still playing.

BB1:

I think you are absolutely correct. Furthermore, I believe those initiating these actions know exactly how damaging they are on this front, and that is why the actions are being taken. With the calculated intent of introducing fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the minds of players.

Michael

[mojo]

Originally Posted by CityGuard

It should be on the bottom right-hand side of each post, immediately to the left of the "Quick Reply" icon. Just overlooking it or is there a technical issue where it is not showing up? (If that's the case, I'll look into it. Would be helpful to get a screenshot of what you're seeing emailed to manager@gpwa.org.)

Hi guys, not to get off track but features must be set in your profile (you can go in through your private message link) to enable smilies and quotes etc. At least that worked for me. Before I did that I had very few features.

Mojo

[igami]

Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman

And did I mention that we might all be lumped together as possible terrorists that could be involved in (gasp) money laundering. Talk about using the patriot act to trample on civil liberties. Unfortunately, I think there is some liklihood that totally rediculous rationales like that might really be used by some warped bureaucrats who don't quite grasp that such actions destroy "the land of the free" they think they are trying to preserve. God save us from ourselves.

Thats my biggest fear, and thus my post the other day regarding locked bank accounts.

I too have a feeling that Neteller will cooperate to the fullest extent with US officials - handing over any and all paperwork that is requested. I figure any affiliate and/or marketer with transactions over a certain amount are going to set off internal alarms and will become subsequent targets.

Those warped bureaucrats and their armies of slaves/devotees will devour us like a swarm of army ants at a family picnic - just because they can. I dont know about you guys but being labeled an enemy combatant and having the key thrown away isnt my cup of tea.

[ogpaper]

Neteller has alrerady confirmed that they are cooperating fully to FBI.

As far as checks - the average US bank processes probably over 10,000 financial transactions an hour, and there are 100s of average US banks in the States, plus small banks, large banks...And there are probably 10,000s banks all over the world...So that database is quite bigger, and if a casino changes bank accounts every 1-2 months - there will not be enough time for the US banks - by the time they catch up on one account - there is already another one which replaced it.

If the checks are issued in Euro or Pound Sterling - it gets even harder.

Not to mention the man hours it would take for each bank to start analyzing checks and transfers to see if they are gambling related or not. They'll probably have to hire 10 people to work around the clock just to scratch the surface.

FBI is just using scare tactics, which are working. Maybe we'll see a few more arrests just so they would make it clear, but that should be it

[matted]

One of the most important things in my mind is we are talking exclusively about the actions of the US executive branch of government. They are the ones using fear and intimidation to stifle civil liberties. To my knowledge, there still has not been a court ruling that in any way infers offshore gaming is illegal. The international community is starting to speak up against Bush's foreign policy and disregard for international law.

[ogpaper]

As it was shown - they dont have to convict anyone, just accuse a few dudes - and your job is almost done

[kenonut]

Originally Posted by ogpaper

As it was shown - they dont have to convict anyone, just accuse a few dudes - and your job is almost done

Amen to that. It may never even go the trial with the 2 former Neteller execs, but just for the fact that the US government has shown how far it will reach to get the message accross was enough. As soon as the Neteller guys were arrested, nearly all of the other online gambling payment processors and many casino operators bailed out on the US customers, so you don't really need to have anyone convicted or even go to trial. The damage has alreay been done and the US goverment knows it.

[techwoman]

Wow...

This so called democratic country has regressed back to the days of using intimidation and threats to control its people. Even worse it stretches it's intimidating and threatening hands out to the rest of the world. This is insanity!