Did you pay for this BS??

[GCG]

Got this via neteller email : xxhttp://blog.neteller.com/neteller-all-slots/?cm_mmc_o=WwfwkkwyCjCWwclkwffwy%203zE%20vo%20C%20e GV%20C%20HWCjCl5BfkbTtf%20v%20kbEL%20_CjC_kBT%20zk klkBfl

First time I see BS listing ads at neteller ............ nothing surprises me anymore though.

[Marcia]

This is a promotion that All Slots and Neteller are running together. It has nothing to do with BrightShare per se.

Marcia

[Lloyd-Brightshare]

Thanks Marcia - you're a faster draw than I am

Brightshare manages the affiliate marketing for All Slots and all All Slots pages track banner tags so that affiliates can promote this offer to their players/traffic.

GCG, please let us know if we have answered your question.

[bb1web]

I don't understand.

I thought it was agreed that we wouldn't have cross-promotion to our players.

Is it the casinos point of view that these players are belonging to the eWallets and therefore they are open to be targeted for cross promotion.

That really sucks.

So we're suppose to send players to some place that turns around and agrees to enter into a partnership with a 3rd party that is born of the idea of promoting to the players that were gained thru the efforts of the parties which will be in effect pushed out of the picture whenever a player chooses to join a different Jackpot Factory property than the one we have the player signed up to.

Did I miss something? Please someone point out where I am wrong in my thinking.

That it will not in effect, hurt me if the person whom I have signed up to play at AllSlots decides to join All Jackpots instead, that the play they spend in All Jackpots would not have been spent at All Slots if the player in question had not been sent an email offer coaxing them away.

I can't believe I am the only one that says this is wrong.

[GCG]

I don't understand.

I thought it was agreed that we wouldn't have cross-promotion to our players.

Is it the casinos point of view that these players are belonging to the eWallets and therefore they are open to be targeted for cross promotion.

That really sucks.

If you look at ot from the affiliate side this is unethical

I can't believe I am the only one that says this is wrong.

Those others are too busy, thinking o what the heck I am making some money with them so I do not mind..........or are afraid to chime in.

From a business perspective : I am going to delete exposure to a minimum, I do not like this kind of unfair competition and even worse BS called it is an exclusive so we can get away with it.......think again.

BS can target players with ewallets specifically, paying for this exposure is always profitable.

Affiliates should be more aware of marketing opportunities a program can use to harm your bizz.

Example : You have a player at Alljackpots.........he gets an email from neteller "all slots super wheel of cash" what do you think the player will do ? I think the Alljackpots account will not be used as much as before this promo email.......

[Marcia]

...... and even worse BS called it is an exclusive .....

Hi GCG - referring to your post, when and where exactly did BS call this an exclusive?

This is not a casino promotion. It's a Neteller promotion directed to Neteller card holders - not All Slots or All Jackpots players. The link above is a link to Neteller's own blog.

Because it's not the casino, this is about all the information I have......

Hope I've helped clear up this issue.....

Later - Marcia

[pgaming]

So should the headlines read,

"Neteller competes with Online Gambling Affiliates

Neteller no longer just another ewallet! With little choice and huge list of potential clients Neteller is expanding their business into the affiliate market."

Okay by me well not really. It just means my new competitor is Neteller LMAO.

greek39

[Marcia]

Neteller is targeting their own people, not the current casino players. Note, that the link to All Slots doesn't even carry a banner tag.

They just want to encourage players to use Neteller to play.

Marcia

[GCG]

Neteller is targeting their own people, not the current casino players. Note, that the link to All Slots doesn't even carry a banner tag.
They just want to encourage players to use Neteller to play.

I saw that there is no affiliate tag, I just wondered why Neteller - being an ewallet as a core business - promote All Slots to encourage players to use Neteller.

If I have a player at a different casino and he gets the Neteller email with All Slots details he may choose to play there and I lose my player.

I just do not understand the need to use an ewallet in this commercial way as they are mentioned on you casino sites.

If you send a promo email through Neteller with info about All Slots I consider this as cross promotion when I have a player at All Jackpots Casino.

[slotplayer]

when I peeked over there yesterday I thought I saw a couple of other programs.

sorry but its just "small potatoes" to me.

[jarvi]

Lloyd/Marcia, I guess there is no chance of Brightshare getting an exclusive marketing arrangement with the Jackpot Factory casinos then? It just seems that one part of the marketing team is at odds with another part of the marketing team.

[bb1web]

Perhaps this explains why i have seen such a drop off of income at BS and not at other MGS like Casino Rewards.

Its really a no-brainer. NETeller is the banking institution. Of course players are going to give mucho credibility to any casino NT endorses.

All due respect (and I mean that), I really don't buy that NETeller is encouraging people to gamble .. and then singling out one or two casinos , with all they provide service to.

The other casinos should be PO'd if that is the case.

This industry just keeps finding ways to slide down the evolution pole and just when I think it can't possibly sink any lower, they find a way.

What a disappointment and it is a shame that the aff (Brightshare side) will also suffer from the lack of ethics at both JF and at NT because the end result of what i can see, regardless of where to point the finger, though that is important, is that the players I am sending to NT, are as good as being lined up in front of a competitor which is both far better resourced than myself, but that is also in a position to add bonus incentives without running the question thru the casino channels (you could argue that i too, could offer extra incentive and my reply would be do you really think i could do it at the same level of investment that NT can do it? hell no!) ... its not even a game. the Kansas City Chiefs would have a better chance beating a professional football team.

Oops, I forgot, (been so long they've had a winning season, but they are a pro team).

That my friends is called re-directing your anger (Dr says I am getting much better)

I'm joking but I won't be when i vote with my traffic. I only wish I had more to shift around.



Of course it is wrong to target players in such a manner. Must have been some damn good coke that was snorted the day the idea that this would not be drawn into the light, came to be.

I know times are hard but can the casinos not see what a huge mistake it is to get into bed with an eWallet? (edited to add: I realize they are already in bed, but this is a whole new thing here. It ain't the same!).

Yes it might be good now, but what happens when all the programs throw their hands in the air and say, wtf, the JF casinos are doing it.

You think you got troubles now. Wait until NT is the new "partner". They've got control not only of how much was spent and where, but also the casinos should remember that if it comes down to push and shove, that the credibility factor (in the eyes of the players) is going to fall very strongly towards the secure banking entity and not towards the casinos.

Meaning if NT wanted to ... they've got the ability to make anybody who gets into bed with them, very sorry in the long run.

Yes! Its a great means of getting players. Probably none better. But that is why this should never been allowed. Casinos once again have not shown any ability to see the future or to plan for the long run.

This is IMO, the worst thing to have happened to affs since the laws were changed creating the IG

[bb1web]

I should add that for right now, it seems the best (if not only) way to show un- appreciation for this situation is to try and monitor NT and whatever casino they are pushing, assume to follow the money. Whoever stands to benefit if not the ones standing to gain, are certainly in touch with the ones who stand to gain.

I don't see NT (at this point in time, by their current actions, they prove they are capable of anything) allowing a competing network to buy ads which point to the competition as a means of getting affs PO'd at the wrong entity.

Meaning whatever casinos NT is promoting, are likely the ones directly behind that campaign.

I just cannot see NT picking a couple of casinos out of the big hat they service, in a hopes to get more people gambling.

besides that, if that was their goal, why not just offer an added bonus to ANY casino that uses NT?

Your logic was not to be long lived, but I am very interested to hear the reply.

Maybe I missed something.

[Doolally]

This has been going on for at least a year (I think a bit more) with Neteller with a number of casino properties. I mentioned it when I first saw it in the forums but only received one or two replies.

I never push anyone near Neteller if I can help it. They are stealing affiliate players and have been for a while. I often get emails trying to get me to use other casinos through the Neteller link.

It's immoral, unethical and corrupt in my mind and is certainly not limited to the casinos discussed in this thread. Neteller are biting the hand off those that feed them.

[GCG]

This has been going on for at least a year (I think a bit more) with Neteller with a number of casino properties. I mentioned it when I first saw it in the forums but only received one or two replies.

I never push anyone near Neteller if I can help it. They are stealing affiliate players and have been for a while. I often get emails trying to get me to use other casinos through the Neteller link.

It's immoral, unethical and corrupt in my mind and is certainly not limited to the casinos discussed in this thread. Neteller are biting the hand off those that feed them.

There is no b-tag add when you click on the casino link because it is paid advertising by the affiliate program, or it suits both ways if you prefer that approach. You are right it is immoral and a perfect crime and nobody can do anything about it because all need this popular ewallet. Other casinos should be pissed when players sign up at the competition, ring neteller and do not let them get away with it I would say!

Brightshare if you need the money that bad to pay an ewallet for ads you are bad.

I would say stop this monster before it will eat all your affiliate commissions because the trend is up to list casinos on ewallets.

For a security point of view if programs get so much involved, the ewallet is no longer an independent money source for which Ecogra and Financial Services Authority in the UK should issue a warning.

[Lloyd-Brightshare]

Just to make sure we understand the issue correctly:

Neteller is promoting to their users to play at their various merchants, as part of the processor/merchant relationship. https://promotions.neteller.com/

This is very much a processor marketing strategy with an option for their merchants to participate or not.

I do understand that an affiliate may have sent a player to a casino that works with Neteller and that player deposited via Neteller and is now being approached directly by Neteller with offers to play at other casinos. The Neteller account isn't something the player opens up at the casino and it is a free market.

Not sure who is doing what wrong here...

Thanks for updating us and please let us know your thoughts here.

Cheers

[jarvi]

I think people are being a bit strong with words like immoral, disappointing definitely, however each to their own I guess. At the end of the day, a business is free to choose their marketing strategies and if some-one or some group doesn't like it, I'm not sure it is immoral.

That said, Lloyd, just to clear up one thing. Is this a marketing initiative by Brightshare or is it Jackpot Factory independently of Brightshare? I think people are a bit annoyed if they are under the impression it is a Brightshare activity. I would find that a tad disappointing that you are willing to try and bypass the affiliates.

If it is a Jackpot Factory instigated activity then perhaps you can have a word with the marketing team and point out the concerns affiliates have with this. That is, we send players to your casinos, maybe encourage them to use NETeller and then cross promoting is occurring and revenues are not flowing back to us.

I hope that explains it a bit better.

[pgaming]

If it is a Jackpot Factory instigated activity then perhaps you can have a word with the marketing team and point out the concerns affiliates have with this. That is, we send players to your casinos, maybe encourage them to use NETeller and then cross promoting is occurring and revenues are not flowing back to us.

I share this concern. Neteller I assume holds a fairly large data base they could easily cross promote not only for Brightshare but for other programs as well.

greek39

[Lloyd-Brightshare]

Thanks for your inputs.

This isn't a Brightshare promotion - we only work with affiliates.

This is a promotion arranged between JF marketing and Neteller.

There is no intention to cross market here anymore than an affiliate will promote both All Slots and All Jackpots to the same players.

Hope that makes sense - please let me know.

Cheers

[universal4]

How does Jackpot Factory feel about Neteller promoting the Reward Affiliates Casinos to all of their players?

Or any other Microgaming group?

Rick
Universal4