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    Default Disavow Question for you Pros...

    So Search Console updated today and, as usual, I went to disavow all the ****** backlinks pointed at our site over the last few days which I assume are negative SEO attempts.


    As soon as I saw the URL, socalfd dot info, I knew I would be disavowing it. But, just to be sure, I clicked through to see the website before pulling the trigger. Then, something curious happened that I have never seen before.


    The aforementioned website had redirected'd itself to a different domain. Now, this I have seen before, and in cases like this, I disavow both domains and walk away.


    What was curious about this particular instance was that the domain in question had redirected itself to Google dot com.


    This is where I'm in murky waters and unsure how to proceed. If in fact this 301'd itself to Google, and I disavow the site, am I de facto disavowing Google dot com? That is of course something I wouldn't want to do...


    Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?

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    Hmmmm that is certainly an interesting scenario and dilemma, and one I am extremely interested in some of the answers to that question.

    I tried to find threads at a few seo related forums to see if anyone is talking about this, but have been unable to find anything yet.

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    I would say leave it as is.
    It's 1 link of 100s you have. Not worth the research time...
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    I'm certainly not a Pro and have been using an agency to help me with some stuff recently.

    One of the things "we" did was remove the Disavow file I had been creating and updating religiously, primarily as a test to see the impact as they had seen consistent gains with other clients by doing so.

    We've been monitoring the impact and overall I've seen an increase in positions for my site, rather than what I thought would happen, a drop.

    It would seem that Google is becoming far more intelligent with understanding what good and bad links look like.

    So I'm just throwing out my current experience to perhaps say you may be worrying too much about disavowing links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwalker View Post
    I'm certainly not a Pro and have been using an agency to help me with some stuff recently.

    One of the things "we" did was remove the Disavow file I had been creating and updating religiously, primarily as a test to see the impact as they had seen consistent gains with other clients by doing so.
    That's interesting.

    Question: which types of sites you disavowed in this file? just really nasty offline/redirects and such or also grey level ones.
    From how long back the file is - i mean it's possible that those bad link sites no longer exist so it was more of a temporary fix.
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    my Disavow file was 4 years old, so I guess many of the spammy links no longer existed. The others that were active were scraper sites and other ****. I took to disavowing anything that didn't look like it should link to me and i guess in the process i was losing some juice as a result.
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    it's 301 redirecting to google.. not google 301 redirecting to the site so it shouldn't matter as the juice is not coming from G, I still keep ontop of disavow as there are other algos which still use that info, I picked up some hidden comment spam against my own site, waiting fro the next large crawl to see if that made a difference,

    Nearly all of the answers from google are usually you shouldn't need to update disavow etc but none that say do not, they have kept it there for a reason?

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    I wonder if the disavows are less necessary in some cases, not strictly because Google is so much more intelligent about the links, as much as it might be a case of dozens (or more) other sites having the same domains in their disavow files.

    One would think that if a high number of sites disavow the same domains, there may well be a problem with the domains being disavowed...

    The secondary benefit of this could be that Google may have a better list of sites they feel are bad actors in terms of links.

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    Leave as is will be my tips. I mean, if you see backlinks that are clearly not good, you can surely disavow them. If you are not 100% sure or find yourself in a technical dilemma, leave as is.

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    Most likely what you're seeing is cloaked just so you won't disavow it - if you access that domain directly you will see something completely different - a bunch of redirects leading to a cryptocurrency site. If disavow is your thing, disavow away, you're not losing anything of value.

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    Dont use the disavow tool, if u dont get a manual penalty in the past...because it makes no difference.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    Dont use the disavow tool, if u dont get a manual penalty in the past...because it makes no difference.

    Uhm... What?

    Proof?


    Quote Originally Posted by IWcasino View Post
    Most likely what you're seeing is cloaked just so you won't disavow it - if you access that domain directly you will see something completely different - a bunch of redirects leading to a cryptocurrency site. If disavow is your thing, disavow away, you're not losing anything of value.

    I've accessed the domain from multiple IPs and it always redirects to google.com. Not sure what, if anything I'm missing or misinterpreting from your statement...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    Uhm... What?

    Proof?
    U can disavow all your backlinks without ranking drops in the serps.
    This tool is made for google not for the webmasters...to solve the spam problem.

    Dont feed the penguin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    U can disavow all your backlinks without ranking drops in the serps.
    That sounds like the opposite of everything I have ever read about disavowing.


    Can you back this up with some sort of proof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    That sounds like the of everything I have ever read about disavowing.


    Can you back this up with some sort of proof?
    Im not here to explain newbie questions,sorry.
    I got this info from Illyes (google employer) over twitter...

    Now u can belive me or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    Im not here to explain newbie questions,sorry.
    I got this info from Illyes (google employer) over twitter...

    Now u can belive me or not...

    Fair enough.

    I don't believe you.

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    Ok.. i have a test site that gets some decent traffic.. i have just deleted the disavow file.. 200+ domains.. in 5-10 days will report back with stats.. impressions, KW movement, traffic, CTR etc..

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    I've accessed it directly (as opposed to clicking an actual link you got) and it doesn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    Ok.. i have a test site that gets some decent traffic.. i have just deleted the disavow file.. 200+ domains.. in 5-10 days will report back with stats.. impressions, KW movement, traffic, CTR etc..
    I bet...no changes

    https://www.seroundtable.com/google-...ion-24751.html

    the only people who suggest to disavow without manual penalty are those people who MONETIZE the disavow process as part of their SEO services now AGAINST the advice of Google

    Disavow is used to feed Penguin for all, not just for one client. It is a simple report tool to tell Google to enter these into the blacklist and if a lot of people have the same URL/domains etc blacklisted, then they will be ignored. Remember, Google doesn't penalise anymore for backlinks if they are tooooooo severe, they will just ignore them. Disavow is not per-person tool, it is per-algorithm for all tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IWcasino View Post
    I've accessed it directly (as opposed to clicking an actual link you got) and it doesn't

    As have I. And it does redirect to Google.com.

    However, given what you said, I conducted an experiment. I started changing my IP address via a VPN proxy service built into one of the web browsers I use. Sure enough, in some countries it does not redirect to Google, but to some spammy crypto ponzi-scheme nonsense about making $1,500 by tomorrow!!!!!!

    Disavow it is.

    Ty for sparking the idea for the IP testing IWcasino!

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