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    4ndy has made some very valid and articulate points. Surprised it took so long before someone mentioned the awful "12 months only" clause in this thread. That alone makes promoting Betfair with anything other than SERPS traffic a waste of money.

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    I've been actively promoting betfair as the best offer, I did not realise the commission was so low!

    I think I'll promote bet365 or other major betting site's where the commission is a large % of revenue.

    Could anyone pm me a list of the best sportsbook site's programs?

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    Sorry for "gravedigging" I got my years mixed up! I didn't realise this was 15 months ago.

    They seem to have changed it to 25% over 3 years now on sportsbook?

    This seem's to be inline with otherbook makers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voids View Post

    They seem to have changed it to 25% over 3 years now on sportsbook?

    This seem's to be inline with otherbook makers?
    No it is not quite that good. This is the change they made from August 2011. In their own words:

    We have increased your Sports Net Revenue commission calculation period from 1 year to 3 years. This affects the Net Betting Commission and Net Multiples Winnings you get from all new customers referred from 1st August 2011 onwards. You don't need to do anything; we will automatically update your Reward Plan.
    The new Sports Reward Plan will work as follows:
    Year Net Revenue Share
    1 25%
    2 20%
    3 15%


    Oh and by the way, even 25% over 3 years is not in line with other bookmakers. You only want to promote firms with lifetime commission. That is the industry standard. Be wary of firms that do not do this (betfair, sportingbet, bwin to name just three) as they have already shown a dismissive attitude to affiliate marketing and that cant be good for any affiliate in the long run.
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    To have 23 signups at Betfair and only make £1.14 is quite amazing!!!!!!

    Sounds like all your new customers at Betfair must of been on a winning streak!!!

    Which Betfair bonus was you promoting to get 23 signups?....the £25 Betfair free bet or the £20 Betfair free bet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freebetsuk7 View Post
    To have 23 signups at Betfair and only make £1.14 is quite amazing!!!!!!

    Sounds like all your new customers at Betfair must of been on a winning streak!!!

    Which Betfair bonus was you promoting to get 23 signups?....the £25 Betfair free bet or the £20 Betfair free bet?
    Are you familiar how Betfair works, as your statement is quite wrong! If your players are constantly winning at sports, Betfair will keep charging 5% on their profit and you will keep on making money. Therefore if they were on a winning streak he would have made money. On top of that Betfair has everything on separate channels, so your earning from sports do not get mixed with casino, games or poker.

    Therefore if someone sends your casino channel at -1k, the stats still show as 0.00 and does not affect the revenue across the others. To me Betfair has one of the best cross promoting teams as I do not promote them but have a few long tails that generate me players each month and for about 3 months and around 40 depositors, NONE play sports only. All of them play games, casino, poker and a bit of sports.
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    Apart from not giving lifetime commissions, getting paid for the sports element has become real grief with Betfair in the last six months. The offshore accounts team pay up fine but the accounts department dealing with sports commissions just ignore the invoices. At least that is our recurring experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    Apart from not giving lifetime commissions, getting paid for the sports element has become real grief with Betfair in the last six months. The offshore accounts team pay up fine but the accounts department dealing with sports commissions just ignore the invoices. At least that is our recurring experience.
    Isn't the No lifetime just for rev share on sports?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xecutable View Post
    Isn't the No lifetime just for rev share on sports?
    Yes, but that is a very big "just." I would not promote anyone else with those awful terms. I only send dedicated exchange traffic to them. You would not want to persuade a client who planned to join a bookmaker to go to betfair . . like throwing money down the drain.

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    I understand, this is the actual reason I do not push them as well, but still people looking for betfair information would register anyways, whether it's via you or somebody else. Given that (that's my case) those posts exist and require nothing, but rank well and get depositors, any money is better than none at all.
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    Care to elaborate are affiliate payments being made?

    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    Apart from not giving lifetime commissions, getting paid for the sports element has become real grief with Betfair in the last six months. The offshore accounts team pay up fine but the accounts department dealing with sports commissions just ignore the invoices. At least that is our recurring experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f1bettings View Post
    Care to elaborate are affiliate payments being made?
    Yes, they are ultimately being paid but certainly with us the sports invoices have repeatedly been missed or forgotten and it has taken a lot of chasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    Yes, they are ultimately being paid but certainly with us the sports invoices have repeatedly been missed or forgotten and it has taken a lot of chasing.
    Think it's done on purpose because of the amount, or they are sloppy in general?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freebetsuk7 View Post
    The Betfair stats are very hard to believe at times!
    I preferred the first unedited post you made.

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    Well to be honest with you the only affiliate programme i trust 100% is Skybet as they seem to have their stats update automatically every day at 3am ish like bank accounts update automatically at that time!

    The rest of my affiliate accounts seem to be updated throughout the day after someone has input the data!

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    I have to say I trust their stats 100%. I think it really depends on your players, I have a lot of players only generate small amounts but I have also had players generate x,xxx over the course of a few months. The model is different than most but I like having a company that pays a % net loss along with betfair who pay a % of the revenue they generate & through sports that comes when people win. It'd be nice if you received 25% of all the commissions i.e. you get 25% of their 5% even when the player loses because effectively the person I referred has generated them a commission even though it will come out of another players account, my players money is still involved in generating them revenue.

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    I think 95% of the bookies I work with are 100% genuine, why would the likes of betfair cream a couple of quid off people

    The freebetsuk fella needs to remember that the commission for betfair is different than what we earn with other firms, you are earning on the 5% (or whatever betfair charge thesedays) that the customer pays for winning bets

    I have met a lot of aff managers in my time and I'd like to think of some as my friends having met them, shared a beer etc. I'd say a massive proportion of the big bookies in the UK markets are honest with stats and things as the day is long and so are the aff managers.

    why would the cheat a few quid when there whole companies reputation is on the line, especially when they know so many independent audits are about.

    granted some firms don't have very affiliate friendly terms but that is a completely different issue
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    Well life has taught me that where there is money involved you will always find people looking to "bend the rules" in their favour!.......

    MP`s fiddling their taxes

    Financial traders "Gambling" and losing their companies £Billions trying to earn themselves big bonuses!

    Electric companies "Fixing" the tariffs so we are all paying too much for our electric!

    Bankers "Fixing" the Libor rate!

    My Ex telling me the shopping cost 3 times as much as it really did!.....lol

    I like to keep my wits about me where there is money involved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blendtec View Post
    I have to say I trust their stats 100%. I think it really depends on your players, I have a lot of players only generate small amounts but I have also had players generate x,xxx over the course of a few months. The model is different than most but I like having a company that pays a % net loss along with betfair who pay a % of the revenue they generate & through sports that comes when people win. It'd be nice if you received 25% of all the commissions i.e. you get 25% of their 5% even when the player loses because effectively the person I referred has generated them a commission even though it will come out of another players account, my players money is still involved in generating them revenue.
    That's all well and good if they paid that percentage for longer than 12 months, but after that it tiers down and after 3yrs they steal your players. Better off referring to a firm with lifetime. That is why you dont see betfair plastered all over affiliate sites. It would be like turkeys voting for xmas.

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