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Old 26th-August-2006, 01:25 PM
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This has been my own experience and may differ from other approaches from what other people use. I attempt to be your average web surfer and locate these sites my searching for them.

I will submitt spam results based on my searches. So for the ones I found today are as follows;
http://xww.google.com/search?as_q=&n...s=&safe=images

"Free casino no deposit coupon"

Free casino no deposit couponfree casino no deposit coupon - casino. ... Free casino no deposit coupon. bay casino hotel mandalay resort · best online casino no deposit ...
x1035.cwtz.org/ - 32k - Cached - Similar pages
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http://xww.google.com/search?as_q=&n...s=&safe=images

"400 bonus casino jackpot jackpots"

400 bonus casino jackpot jackpots400 bonus casino jackpot jackpots - casino. ... Home > 400 bonus casino jackpot jackpots. 400 bonus casino jackpot jackpots - casino ...
x3556.ccidj.org/ - 36k - 24 Aug 2006 - Cached - Similar pages
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http://xww.google.com/search?q=%22No...&start=30&sa=N
"No deposit casino chips bonus code"

No deposit casino chips bonus codeno deposit casino chips bonus code - casino. ... no deposit casino chips bonus code - casino no deposit casino chips bonus code ...
xx105.djogcy.org/ - 36k - Cached - Similar pages
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I will take the domain and find the title it is operating under for the first one I find Free casino no deposit coupon.
Next I will google search "Free casino no deposit coupon" from here I can retrieve the search string, url, and page title. Then I will submitt to google as deceptive, doorway page ect...

Bare in mind this NOT the only one way of doing it. The benefit is I find Google responds fast. I just finished submitting these to google with the notation jagger and my own unique signature.

Now let's look at the ip from my tool box

1035.cwtz.org/ ip is 74.52.77.31 ip for cwtz.org/ 74.52.77.31 the same. I will pull up the global whois on domain cwtz.org/ I get the following;

Organization:Emitorra Ltda.
Registrant Street1:Al. Santos, 2131, 13 andar
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Sao Paulo
Registrant State/Province:São Paulo
Registrant Postal Code:01418-200
Registrant Country:BR
Registrant Phone:+011.32692971
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Emailxjoao@lietgd.org this information could be faked but find out type
in lietgd.org into the spam engine Vivisimo.
Admin IDI_3700058
Admin Name:Joao Sdalpin
Admin

now the global whois on 1035.cwtz.org/ I find
nothing found, I could use some other tools. But in any case I know who they are and what they are doing. One way of protecting yourself is by looking at other sites for similiar stuff and blocking the ip before they have a chance to bomb your site.

But in any case mojo I have done two things. There is allot more to know but I am affraid this is all the time I have for today. Let's see what happens!

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Old 26th-August-2006, 02:42 PM
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Excellent greek. Whatever time you can spare is appriciated! I am going to check out what my web host offers for xtra protection too.
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Old 27th-August-2006, 12:07 AM
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This is very interesting.

Thanks for that info, Greek!
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Old 27th-August-2006, 01:28 AM
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Yes it is Dom! Now I am waiting for greek to come back lol. Meanwhile I ran into another obstacle. I am having trouble blocking ips as greek and universal suggested because I use Front Page. I cannot use htaccess. There is another method and I am waiting to hear back from my particular host.

Carry on.
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I block IP's in the firewall, but the problem is, we need to know what IP the scrapers are using to do the actual scraping....If you're on a windows box and not behind a firewall, your host can probably block by IPSec.

They could easily be sitting on a simple road runner connection to do the bulk of the site scraping, and blocking their engines would be useless in that scenario.

Also, if they are scraping results direct from Google or other engines, then even if every webmaster out there blocked them, it wouldn't end what they are doing.

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Nothing will end what they are doing as long as the programs pay them to do it.
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Old 28th-August-2006, 11:01 AM
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Mojo, sorry for the delayed response, technical problems. In any case let's address your last post first. My knowledge
regarding FrontPage is next to nill. However, reason tells me if you have login and password protection chances are good
there is a .htaccess file somewhere. If not they are readily avialable for download. Perhaps your server could provide you
with one.

For now while we wait on Google let's press forward. I just finished checking Google for the domains in questions
1035.cwtz.org/ , 3556.ccidj.org/ , 105.djogcy.org/. All are still operating, perhaps a weekend Google delay. The good news I
didn't find anymore.

I decided we would focus on this domain in particular 1035.cwtz.org/ to make things simple we found out the following;
1035.cwtz.org/ ip is 74.52.77.31 ip for cwtz.org/ 74.52.77.31 the same. I will pull up the global whois on domain cwtz.org/ I
get the following;
Organization:Emitorra Ltda.
Registrant Street1:Al. Santos, 2131, 13 andar
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Sao Paulo
Registrant State/Province:São Paulo
Registrant Postal Code:01418-200
Registrant Country:BR
Registrant Phone:+011.32692971
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Emailxjoao@lietgd.org this information could be faked but find out type
in lietgd.org into the spam engine Vivisimo.
Admin IDI_3700058
Admin Name:Joao Sdalpin
Admin

I am going to concentrate on the email address above, in particular lietgd.org. In doing a search on this domain I find
mounds of info but will focus on this 3410.lietgd.org. Pulling up the global whois on lietgd.org I find the following;

Organization:Emitorra Ltda.
Registrant Street1:Al. Santos, 2131, 13 andar
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Sao Paulo
Registrant State/Province:São Paulo
Registrant Postal Code:01418-200
Registrant Country:BR
Registrant Phone:+011.32692971
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:joao@lietgd.org
Admin IDI_3700058
Admin Name:Joao Sdalpin
Admin
A match in every respect. The IP for lietgd.org is 74.52.77.22 not he same but within the IP range we are looking for.
BTW Mojo take a visit to 3410.lietgd.org Just copy and paste the URL into you address bar hit go. Next scroll down to the
bottom of the page hit Ctrl+a to view the hidden text. Plenty of guidelines violations here, scraped material, hidden text
and so on. But what is interesting there are active links, begs to questions are these the culprits?
In any case, the server operational IP range is 74.52.0.0.0 - 74.52.255.255. The range belongs to a well respected server
company called "The Planet". Take a visit and review their legal section. Quickly you will find they are in violation of
their own legal disclaimer and in violation of the major SE guidelines. I beleive they have a legal obligation to take swift
and appropiate action against these domains as listed.

Hence the second course of action. I will be submitting today a modest 1000 domains to the The Planet requesting a review and
removal of the domains in question. Along with my request I will provide proof as well. I beleive The Planet has the legal
obligation to take swift action based on the information I will provide.
So what is going on here? A partial answer would be many people are setting up real domains with real sites to get indexed.
Once indexed they will 404 their real site and set up thousands of subdomains. This provides them with perfect venue to bowl
and scrape thousands of sites. I would rather not inform what else they do because I don't want anybody getting any dirty
ideas.

I hope this has helped just a little Mojo. I certainly appreciate you efforts on your site in regards the BH seo. I will be
following suite giving you credit for coming up with the idea. Should be up this week.
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Nothing will end what they are doing as long as the programs pay them to do it.
Dominique to a certain degree I agree, many programs do in fact pay and support this practice. But what they fail too realize is one day, without notice, they will get pulled. If not, the very SE guidelines we are expected to follow would be null and void.

What answers would Google provide in shutting down other sites while leaving other sites alone who use dirty practices. I don't beleive Google would like to create up a double standard. For example, about two weeks ago BMW Motor Cars was pulled from the index for having excessive doorway pages. I can think of a few programs that have done the same thing, but some how are getting away with it. I am confident you know the program. A matter of time before Google slaps them down.

Creating these double standards could also be very damaging to Google's bottom line. Not only are they violating there own guidelines, but it seems quite plausible lawsuites could follow. We have seen this happen before.

In any case, I think the unethical practices of some programs could possibly get them delisted. We have also seen this happen as well.

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As far as front page and an htaccess....

If the site is served on Apache on Linux, it will use an htaccess file to control the permissions. If it is served by IIS on a windows box, the permissions are controlled by the windows ACL (access control list) which is actually controlled by the front page extension manager.(which is scripted through CPanel or Helm if installed)

For those hosting clients hosted on servers that do not offer an htaccess file, the best thing to do is contact your host and ask what kind of ip blocking they allow and support.

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Hi greek,

No worries on the delay, any time you can muster is more than appriciated. I have the same problem with the day job getting in the way. This eve I look forward to shutting off the phone and studying what you are saying. Thank you greek. Knowledge is power!

I also need to resolve the htaccess problem. Thanks to you guys for your help there.

See you soon!

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