Free Flash Games

[PioneerRalph]

Can anyone please help me work out which aff programs provide free flash games for Playtech, Microgaming, NetEnt, IGT/Wagerworks?

I would really appreciate the help....

[SlotsAff]

Microgaming - 32Red/Roxy Palace
Playtech - bet365 Casino
NetEnt - Mr Green/Betsafe/CasinoEuro
IGT - Sky Vegas/Virgin Casino/Paddy Power Games

[PioneerRalph]

Thanks very much SlotsAff

[SlotsAff]

No problem Ralph

[universal4]

William Hill, Wager Junction

Rick
Universal4

[Muppet]

I would avoid Wager Junction. I recently found that clicks from their games had not been tracking to our account for well over a year. To give a sense of scale I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of play sessions on their games. Fortunately we had other calls to action and offer comparisons on the pages that went to various different Playtech casinos, but anyone who clicked play for real inside their game became their customer for free.

I sent a detailed email with information about where the clicks were going and how they were not being tagged. The next day wouldn't you know it the redirects from the clicks had changed and they were tracking properly. They never once replied to me, nor did they apologise or offer compensation even after follow up emails.

There's a high chance that the tracking has not been working for anyone using their games for a long time. They are shonky.

[wagerjunction]

Hi Muppet,

Could you please confirm when you sent the email with information about the issue? I have tried searching through the inbox but could not find anything. I have been away from the office for some time and am still backtracking through correspondence.

I am truly sorry that you seem to have had a bad experience with our program but I can assure you that there is nothing fishy about our dealings with affiliates. In addition, we have received no complaints about our free flash games from other affiliates who have been using them.

I trust you will give me the opportunity to look into this further and make it up to you.

I look forward to hear from you.

[TheMoonCheese]

SkyVegas have issues tracking direct to their games too, they probably use the same software.

[PioneerRalph]

Thanks for the advice guys. Also, how about free Cryptologic games?

[universal4]

I would like to know more about the issue that Muppet experienced. Has anyone else seen this with WJ or any other Playtech provider?

I too usually have specific calls to action on the game pages as well, but we all know that many players would tend to use the play now button in the games.

I am leaning toward using a few from WJ anyway since I would like to offer a few games from a few different providers, so am interested in more feedback.

Rick
Universal4

[Muppet]

I don't think the issue is specific to WJ. We started changing over the games to Bet365 because of how annoyed we were at what happened and subsequently being ignored. But Bet365 seems to have the same problem and have acknowledged it, and last we heard they are looking into it (that reminds me to follow up with them).

The specific problem is this. If the user clicks play for real and they are redirected via a URL like this then you have a problem:

hxxp://banner.kingsolomons.com/flashcasino.php?language=EN&id=1&member=&profile=&game=bld&_realonly=1

You may have to use firebug or a http traffic inspector to see where it is going because it redirects several times between different URLs almost immediately. Otherwise click play for real and try to hit the stop loading browser button at the right time.

The key bit is the "&member=" part. If there is nothing there after the equals sign and before the next & symbol like in the link above then tracking is not working for you. I asked both WJ and Bet365 if they were using a cookie instead but it appears not. A day after I complained to WJ it was changed so that it said something like "&member=ouraffiliateid" for us.

Here are some figures to chew on: 294261 impressions, 12 depositors, over the past 2 years. That is a 1 in 19600 conversion rate. I am willing to bet those depositors were referred from the review pages for their casinos as opposed to the free games which would account for over 99% of those impressions (as an aside it would be far more useful to us if they did not record an impression unless someone actually clicks play for real). So either the free games are completely worthless in as far as gaining depositors so we should not bother with them anyway (however we know they aren't from our experience with other providers) or we have potentially missed out on loads of referrals.

The fact WJ changed the tracking link the day after I emailed them (on June 12, and follow up on June 21) clearly indicates that they know about the issue and did indeed receive my emails despite protestations to the contrary. I assume they probably fixed it for everybody that same day but who knows, maybe not?

[Muppet]

Thanks for the advice guys. Also, how about free Cryptologic games?

Contact Intercasino.

[universal4]

Thanks for a more detailed response Muppet....and even though I caught on right away what you were talking about when you showed the link, that was a GREAT explanation for those young to the game in the structure of the link.

I will surely put the wj games in to my list of stuff to test....and obviously will look closely at the links embedded etc....

Rick
Universal4

[slotplayer]

I brought this issue up to wj on sept 15th 2011.

want me to post the emails?

[Muppet]

I believe you. I myself discovered it about 6 months ago but stupidly forgot about it in the meantime with a million other things to do and the only thing that jogged my memory was WJ sending me a ludicrous email saying that "as we were one of their top affiliates" (right, 12 players in 2 years) they would give us 60% for a month or something. More likely they loved all the free traffic they were getting.

Anyway this is getting a bit off topic. Continue here perhaps >>>
http://www.gpwa.org/forum/flash-game...re-190881.html

[theGman]

I use their Flash games extensively across my network of sites and dont have these conversion issues you are talking about, i am glad that you highlighted it though as i will now take a deeper look at it.

Also they offer that 60% revshare to every single one of their affiliates once a year, it is not limited to " TOP AFFILIATES ". It is one of their incentives for all of their partners and they state that quite plainly on their newsletters.

I find it hard to believe a few things.

1) That Wager Junction would do anything underhanded - they use the same affiliate software that Omni use and a range of other Playtechs. That means they have zero control re links. That is all handled on the Playtech side of things.

You state that the next day there were changes made on the links , implying that WJ did this , that would be impossible as i pointed out above,Playtech handle this and i can tell you that Playtech does not have that kind of turn around time for any requests.

2) I find it hard to believe that they would not respond to you. This is serious stuff so why would they not respond to you. These guys have been on this board for way longer than most operations and been in business far longer - if they say they did not get your email - then send it again or post it here. They have always been very responsive . I do a lot of business with WJ and for good reason. They are one of the good bunch of Playtechs

[slotplayer]

they responded to my emails and created dummy accounts via the game links.

[Muppet]

Also they offer that 60% revshare to every single one of their affiliates once a year, it is not limited to " TOP AFFILIATES ". It is one of their incentives for all of their partners and they state that quite plainly on their newsletters.

No doubt. Here is the email:

Hello,

We are writing to give you some good news!

As one of our top performing affiliates during the month of May 2012, you have won the possibility to have 1 month where you will be able to have 60% Rev Share.

You can choose any month between June and December 2012 to receive this exclusive Rev Share, so this will give you time to set up a good marketing strategy and push our partner casinos as much as possible in order to benefit the most from the added commission.

... snip ...

Regards
Amy
Wager Junction

That May they are referring to we referred 1 new player and made less than $30 in commission. My point stands.

I find it hard to believe a few things.

1) That Wager Junction would do anything underhanded - they use the same affiliate software that Omni use and a range of other Playtechs. That means they have zero control re links. That is all handled on the Playtech side of things.

I have made it abundantly clear that I don't think they did anything underhanded. "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence". Go re-read what I wrote, especially where I said "I don't think the issue is specific to WJ.". My beef is with the way my concerns were (not) handled, and the risk that should you have a problem with these guys they may very well be uncommunicative.

As to the 2nd part of that statement I am calling BS. Just because an affiliate program uses a Playtech developed and supplied affiliate console does not mean Playtech has direct control over their day to day activities including link and campaign creation. If an affiliate program really needs to ask Playtech every time they need a new affiliate link created then I suggest 1 of 2 things: either 1. that process is hopelessly complicated and needs fixing, or 2. you need to re-evaluate your assumptions.

You state that the next day there were changes made on the links , implying that WJ did this , that would be impossible as i pointed out above,Playtech handle this and i can tell you that Playtech does not have that kind of turn around time for any requests.

If that is indeed true then its quite an extraordinary coincidence that the problem that had been around for 2 years was suddenly fixed shortly after I emailed them. Amazing in fact. I know what I consider more likely.

2) I find it hard to believe that they would not respond to you. This is serious stuff so why would they not respond to you

I am not lying and Amy's response above where she claims that she never received the emails in fact confirms that they did not respond. So what you choose to believe in that respect has no relevance. As for why, I don't know, I can only speculate. Maybe they hoped if they ignored it the problem would go away? Emails got passed around between people with no-one willing to take responsibility? They intended to but forgot? Who knows, the point is their handling of the situation was poor. I don't even want to begin to speculate about the monetary value of this problem, a simple apology would have been a nice start though.

Amy also said this:

In addition, we have received no complaints about our free flash games from other affiliates who have been using them.

slotplayer has already contradicted that statement in this thread. Catching an affiliate manager doing that sort of thing makes me wonder about the claim of not receiving emails too.

[lowrisk]

The only ones I have done, have been with Playtech and were with Bet 365 casino and William Hill. You get a standard bit of code, and you simply edit it to control the size and the game type. Bet 365 was trackable when you pressed real play, whereas for some reason, William Hill was not. So I chose to implement Bet 365

[lots0]

I have had a LOT of experience with wagerjunction in the past.
I started promoting Windows casino way back in 1999(before wagerjunction) and I worked with them for years, after they became wagerjunction.
I was also the very first person to promote their free flash games, I had an exclusive deal with them for their flash games.
I worked with them till I caught them cheating me.

I tell my friends to stay far far away from wagerjunction... In my opinion and experience the owner of wagerjunction is just not honest.