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    Exclamation Important: New cookies policies - End of our commissions?

    This is a general 'food for thought' post on the New cookies policies etc.

    Did anyone ever think about what happens to the whole affiliate system based on referral cookies when people start switching off their cookies on their pc's?

    Example: Person lands on my page. Finds a casino, but has no cookies, or decides to switch them off thanks to this brand new banner on the bottom of my page that I now need to show, informing him of what cookies are, and how to switch them off. He uses my site and links, to go visit the casino. No cookies were set, so, as far as the affiliate system sees it: No referral was made.

    Result? No commission.

    Isn't it time for a different set up for us to keep our commission? Casino operators will still receive their visitors. They just don't need to share any commission anymore. Thanks to no cookies.

    Anyone any ideas?

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    I believe that IP and session tracking are other methods that could/should be used to improve tracking efficiency.

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    I agree, but what worries a bit is that many programs do not show too much interest in tracking issues, stats issues or for example, using workable affiliate software.

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    IP tracking is far more intrusive into privacy, so there will be no luck. Session is still deletable cookies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    IP tracking is far more intrusive into privacy, so there will be no luck. Session is still deletable cookies.

    I am not an expert on the subject. I only know of these 3 methods as ways that some affiliate tracking software works. I really only know this because I was recently looking for a method by which our website could start up a user referral system, i.e. have my visitors bring in their friends and family for a small commission. (Unfortunately I didn't find a solution. If anyone has experience with this, I would love to hear from you via PM!)

    WRT IP tracking and privacy. Well. LOL. There is no such thing as privacy anymore ;(

    And yeah, cookies can always be deleted by the user. Hell, I KNOW we are losing sign ups to these programs and technical glitches all the time. I know because every month we have people email us to confirm their accounts (we put this line in every sign up instruction whether it is needed or not. Maybe 1% of sign ups actually take this step). And sure enough, a not-insignificant amount of players who clearly intended to sign up with us and went so far as to email us to confirm it, are in fact, not properly tagged players.

    I guess we probably lost 20% of our sign ups to random bullshit "tracking errors" across all of our partner sites. Of course, there is no way to prove this, it's just an intuitive guess based off of years of answering emails and dealing with direct player sign ups on our high value private clients.

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    Dodgy sponsors will use any means including tracking issues to cheat, while the more reputable sponsors will also make use of other means such as IP addresses and session tracking to do the right thing. Being an affiliate isn't getting any easier that's for sure.

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    There are much better ways how to track like html5 storage. It is like cookies 2.0. There also were flash "hidden" cookies. After all there is the digital fingerprint that might be used for tracking that would be 99.99% accurate.

    But this is not about technical things.

    1. Nobody wants to solve the problem badly, because for affiliates now the biggest ROI is to get rid of us.

    2. Ok, some affiliate programs still want to cooperate, but there are simply no good affiliate software providers. The real development stopped. They work on frontend and make it worse. The backend based on cookies is fading away and tracking is worse and worse.

    3. On the top there is the GDPR thing. That is why the cookies are being solved. Of course there is no privacy and of course that data is the digital gold. But still the big corps must follow the GDPR thing. And that means you should not track anyone without his consent.

    There are even paradoxes that one law says you that you must collect the customer's data and another law, the GDPR, says you are not allowed to store the data. Politics is not important per se. But the impact is important for us. The laws allegedly protecting privacy will be just more and more crazy. Anything that is tracking visitor is or will be breaching the law. That law will be neglected by many, but by many it will not be. The gap between official and unofficial operators will be again wider.

    Better tracking = even more breach of privacy. Even storing metadata is breaching of privacy.
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    Example: Person lands on my page. Finds a casino, but has no cookies, or decides to switch them off thanks to this brand new banner on the bottom of my page that I now need to show, informing him of what cookies are, and how to switch them off. He uses my site and links, to go visit the casino. No cookies were set, so, as far as the affiliate system sees it: No referral was made.

    Result? No commission.
    Just to clarify here, the cookie that matters is the one that is set by the referred site when they get there (which should be a first party or session cookie), not your site. Of course if the visitor has unilaterally blocked all cookies then that is a moot point, but if they do they are going to have far more problems. The more likely scenario is people blocking third party cookies served off different domains, which savvy users have been doing already for years and which should not affect your referrals.

    I don't believe there is going to be widespread surge in people blocking cookies, at least first party cookies for the site you are visiting, because 1. anyone who wants to has been able to do this for years already after being prompted by these stupid messages shown by many websites that have bought into the paranoia; 2. smart users are already blocking unnecessary third party cookies; and 3. imagine the whingefest start when people realise that they need cookies to stay logged in to Facebook or Twitter or any site with a community like this one, or to save their display preferences, or permanently dismiss those recurring prompts or questions from popping up on every page you visit anonymously at a website.

    This cookie paranoia storm in a teacup is fuelled by ignorance by end users, many webmasters, and the fools responsible for these EU directives that don't even understand the technology they are pontificating on. Were you to inform them that cookies were invented to solve the problem of data or session persistence for a stateless protocol like HTTP, all you would hear would be crickets chirping as they try to internalise what you just said. Blocking all cookies because they could potentially be used to track someone ignores all the other positive and in many cases vital uses for cookies. It is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    As Sherlock said there are far more sophisticated ways of tracking someone that have been in use for half a decade or more now that don't rely on the end user's permission to allow cookies. Browser fingerprinting, which does not rely on cookies, is so ubiquitous that Apple has announced that the next version of Safari will have anti-fingerprinting code built in. In addition Google Analytics et al have server endpoints that can be used to feed data in for a visitor that cannot be blocked on the client side which makes the usage of cookies irrelevant.

    So to sum up: as long as visitors aren't blocking first party or session cookies, which is unlikely for reasons stated above, then it won't be an issue. If they really are that paranoid then I suggest that trusting their money and personal information to an online gambling site is probably a step too far and they would never have converted anyway.

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    if people choose to not use cookies they will not be able to use most of the web let alone a casino.. not really worried on this.
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    Most people using the web know of cookies as a delicious food product. There will always be a workaround. The casinos will work on it; when it starts becoming an issue for their largest affiliates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muppet View Post
    Browser fingerprinting, which does not rely on cookies, is so ubiquitous that Apple has announced that the next version of Safari will have anti-fingerprinting code built in. In addition Google Analytics et al have server endpoints that can be used to feed data in for a visitor that cannot be blocked on the client side which makes the usage of cookies irrelevant.
    You still need to figure out cross-device and cross-browser tracking but it is achievable. Ask Facebook.

    You can test browser fingerprinting here: https://amiunique.org/

    How easily can you be identified, even after changing IP, clearing cache and cookies?
    Most likely you'll get a result similar to your full fingerprint is unique among the xxxxxx collected so far
    It would help if there was a tracking solution / affiliate network supporting this. Then they would be able to offer better conditions for affiliates and others will have to adapt.

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