Lifetime ownership

[jarvi]

As per your FAQ page:

6. For how long do I get paid for players referred by me?You will receive commission as long as customers are active and playing on our website – this is the so-called lifetime ownership.

As per your terms and conditions:

6.9 The Company reserves the right to set limits for a minimum level of activity on affiliate accounts. Such minimum activity levels will be continuously reviewed and the Company reserves the right to terminate any agreement not reaching the limit. Such limit shall not be unreasonably high and basically reflect the intention of avoiding accounts where the revenue does not cover our internal costs for maintaining the account and the payout procedure.

These two quotes don't agree with each other. You can't be offering lifetime ownership if it is dependent on a minimum level of activity. What makes this worse is the minimum level is not stated. I'm baffled as to why anyone would sign up to a program with these terms.

Any chance of removing the minimum activity clause?

[offsidebet]

As per your FAQ page:



As per your terms and conditions:



These two quotes don't agree with each other. You can't be offering lifetime ownership if it is dependent on a minimum level of activity. What makes this worse is the minimum level is not stated. I'm baffled as to why anyone would sign up to a program with these terms.

Any chance of removing the minimum activity clause?

Hi James, we do give lifetime ownership over referred customers. We're also looking for long-term mutually beneficial relationships with affiliates and want to stimulate partners to promote us on an ongoing basis.

[jarvi]

So if an agreement is terminated, does the affiliate continue to earn from the players they had already signed up? They just can't earn from any new players.

[offsidebet]

So if an agreement is terminated, does the affiliate continue to earn from the players they had already signed up? They just can't earn from any new players.

Affiliates do have lifetime ownership over the referred customers. On the other hand - we always look for options to extend partnerships with affiliates.

[Betpartners]

Affiliates do have lifetime ownership over the referred customers. On the other hand - we always look for options to extend partnerships with affiliates.

Yes but that does not answer Jarvi's specific question

If an account is terminated does the affiliate still get commissiion from the players refered even of his account has been terminated

And if the answer is yes will the affiliate still have access to the terminated account to check stats

[jarvi]

Yes, please answer the question because you latest reply was ambiguous. A simple yes or no will give me the answer.

[offsidebet]

Guys,

let's first clear the "termination" notion.

1. If an affiliate simply stops posting our banners/links for a certain period of time - this is rather campaign suspension, not termination. In such case he will still receive commissions.

2. Termination is a rather permanent and forced action and is usually agreed by both sides. Termination can also be the result of a breach of the affiliate T&C.



In our T&C - The Affiliate will be entitled only to those earned and unpaid commissions as of the effective date of termination; however provided, Offsidebet may withhold the Affiliate's final payment for a reasonable time to ensure that the correct amount is paid. The Affiliate will not be eligible to earn or receive commissions after this date.

[jarvi]

Thanks for the expanded explanation. It's not really lifetime ownership is it? The FAQs page is a tad misleading.

Suspension doesn't appear to be covered in the terms or am I just not seeing it? At the end of the day, what is the effect of a suspension other than just that the affiliate is not posting banners etc?

[offsidebet]

a termination is usually caused by a breach of the T&C. In cases other than that - you do get lifetime ownership.

[jarvi]

Your playing with words and avoiding answering the questions. It's obvious you don't want to come out and say what all of us can gather from reading your replies.

The original quote from the terms says if a minimum activity level is not met then the agreement is terminated. That means it is not lifetime ownership. Lifetime ownership implies you earn revenue for the life of the player and it is not dependent on sending more traffic/players.

[offsidebet]

Your playing with words and avoiding answering the questions. It's obvious you don't want to come out and say what all of us can gather from reading your replies.

The original quote from the terms says if a minimum activity level is not met then the agreement is terminated. That means it is not lifetime ownership. Lifetime ownership implies you earn revenue for the life of the player and it is not dependent on sending more traffic/players.

Mate, both our T&C and my replies clearly state it - if you're not breaking the T&C, coming up with fancy cheat schemes, etc - you will have your account active and hence have lifetime ownership over customers you refer to Offsidebet.

Regards

[jarvi]

All right, I sense you are getting a bit annoyed by the continued questioning. I'll leave it alone and I'll get back to working with programs that don't impose mysterious quotas and offer true lifetime ownership that is not dependent on sending new traffic.

This could all have been dealt with a lot quicker if the original question had been answered rather than trying to hide it.

[offsidebet]

I really can't state this in a clearer manner:

1. If you don't breach T&C - your account stays open forever.

2. As long as your account is open - you get rev. share.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is as lifetime as it can be.

[jarvi]

No, you are wrong according to normal understanding and again I will quote the FAQ.

6. For how long do I get paid for players referred by me?You will receive commission as long as customers are active and playing on our website – this is the so-called lifetime ownership.

Clearly if I don't meet the quota the agreement will be terminated. The existing players will/may continue to play and I won't get any revenue so I won't receive commission for the life of the player.

Whilst affiliates understand agreements can be terminated for any number of legitimate reasons, terminating because of not meeting a quota of players/activity means you are not offering lifetime revenue. Under your terms, the revenue of one player is dependent on them continuing, plus it is dependent on sending more players which is not related to the lifetime of the original player.

[Betpartners]

I think Jarvi means term 6.9 (correct me if i am wrong Jarvi)

6.9 The Company reserves the right to set limits for a minimum level of activity on affiliate accounts. Such minimum activity levels will be continuously reviewed and the Company reserves the right to terminate any agreement not reaching the limit. Such limit shall not be unreasonably high and basically reflect the intention of avoiding accounts where the revenue does not cover our internal costs for maintaining the account and the payout procedure.

It does clearly state there that you do reserve the right to terminate any agreement that does not reach a minimum level of activity.

No idea what your min activity is etc but you do have that in your terms and that has nothing to do with fraud activity or anything like that, i think you will find everyone would agree that you would be completely entitled to terminate any account for cheating, fraud etc.

But setting any limit on activity that then gives you the right to terminate an account would mean that any affiliate not meeting your min terms would lose their lifetime earnings from any player they referred

For the record i have no personal issue with that because you have that in your terms and conditions and Jarvi has done the right thing by reading those terms and seeking clarification.

It is up to an individual affiliate to decide to join based on your terms and conditions, its not like you are hiding anything in your terms and are not doing anything wrong so you can relax.

But this thread is starting to stretch now on a simple question that Jarvi asked you right up front, i understood his question straight off the bat and i expect the vast majority of people reading this thread did also.

It is a straight forward question

If an affiliate that does not do anything illegal or wrong but has their account terminated because they don't reach the minimum activity clause would they in that singular instant still be entitled to lifetime earnings?

We are talking termination only in the event of not reaching the minimum activity clause, no other reason.

[offsidebet]

An affiliate who has active referred customers WILL receive rev. share for the lifetime of those customers.

[Betpartners]

An affiliate who has active referred customers WILL receive rev. share for the lifetime of those customers.

Even if their account is terminated for not reaching the minimum activity level?

I have to say you could do better answering specific questions, this is like pulling teeth and your not doing yourselves any favors here, i am trying to help you out mate, all you need to do is answer the specific question.

[offsidebet]

James,

I do understand your position here, mate, and I do appreciate it. I think best we can do is revise the T&C and FAQ a bit, so that all the ambiguity is taken out.

Will try to get this sorted within next week, so that there is no discrepancy.

Thanks everyone for your input - it really is very helpful and much appreciated.

[offsidebet]

Guys, sorry for the delay.

point 6.9 of our affiliate T&C has now been updated to:

All Offsidebet affiliates are required to refer a minimum of 5 active customer accounts within 3 (three) months of their acceptance in the affiliate program. If an affiliate does not reach the required level, Offsidebet reserves the right to close the affiliate account. Affiliates are entitled to applying for a new account on a later stage.

[casinobonusguy]

Why would anyone sign up for that?Groups that put quotas in need to realise they have competitors out there who do not use these terms and that is where affiliates will go.