Need some advice with SEO and link building

[abscident]

Hello,

I know some of you guys are very good at SEO and have high PR websites, and I would appreciate some advice and suggestions, because I'm stuck with link building.

I have 4-5 websites (some of them are over one year old), and I did my best to get links and PR for them, but I didn't manage to get higher than PR1.

I see that most sites here are PR3 or higher, and I would like to know how did you do this?

What is the best and fastest way to get links for your site? I know many do link exchange, but I don't want to give links on the homepage of my good websites, because I don't want to give up to the quality standards.

From your experience, what links are the best?
1. Sitewide links on websites with many pages (they can generate up to thousands of links, but from the same domain)
2. Simple homepage links on pages with high PR (the page will probably have a pretty high number of external links though)
3. In content links on unique niche articles with very few outgoing links and linked from homepage (but the article page doesn't have any page rank)

Are sitewide links better than single page links?

What linkbuilding technique did you use to get to PR3?

I would really appreciate advice and suggestions from webmaster with high PR websites.

Thanks,
Abscident

[casinojack]

1 and 2 your best bets, 3 not so much.

Link building is such a generic term, hard to tell...

You can build some quick link wheels your self.

Something like this:

[universal4]

Great tips CJ....

Also, don't be so stuck on pr as much and worry more about actual SERPS and traffic.

You might be surprised that some of the pr1's might do better on some keywords as some of the pr3's.

Rick
Universal4

[webber286]

PR is definitely not that important. Rankings are what matter.

As to your questions, a sitewide link is only marginally better than a home page link. The SE's will give you credit for the "best" link on a specific domain, but the 2nd, 3rd and so on are not given much weight in the algorithms, though they may give a bit of extra juice. It doesn't hurt to do sitewide, especially since you never know if the home page is the strongest, it usually is, but in this industry you might be surprised to find that a sub-page is stronger.

Article links are fine, but you need to have a lot of them to equal one well placed home page link. Plus, you really need to have unique articles for each link which equals quite a bit of work, though article spinning can help reduce that effort.

[bbonline]

Great tips CJ....

Also, don't be so stuck on pr as much and worry more about actual SERPS and traffic.

You might be surprised that some of the pr1's might do better on some keywords as some of the pr3's.

I agree, besides its quite hard to predict when will be the next PR update. I mind more on targeted traffic.

What I do to get a high PR is to join related communities, forums and social networks. I just need to create a good reading article to give credit on my site. What visitor wants is a good reading material not just plain text will full or promotions or advertisements. First thing most is to designed a portal that intend more on end users not merely on SE's. From that point in time, the SE itself will be the one that give credit on you with the used of less Link Building.

[abscident]

Thanks for your suggestions and opinions.

For a site with a lot of original content, isn't it good to have a high PR to achieve better rankings for all the other articles? I mean you can't make keyword ranking for each article if you post one per day...

Thanks again.

[ck8795]

PR is definitely not that important. Rankings are what matter.

As to your questions, a sitewide link is only marginally better than a home page link. The SE's will give you credit for the "best" link on a specific domain, but the 2nd, 3rd and so on are not given much weight in the algorithms, though they may give a bit of extra juice. It doesn't hurt to do sitewide, especially since you never know if the home page is the strongest, it usually is, but in this industry you might be surprised to find that a sub-page is stronger.

Article links are fine, but you need to have a lot of them to equal one well placed home page link. Plus, you really need to have unique articles for each link which equals quite a bit of work, though article spinning can help reduce that effort.

Sitewide links scream "PAID LINKS" ...avoid them if you can.

abscident - Worry about the quality of your links more than the quantity or how you can get a pr3. You'll do much better IMO.

[universal4]

isn't it good to have a high PR to achieve better rankings

You are too stuck on pr.

Search engines results mean more than pr.

pr ranking is just "one" of the factors for gaining the results for the keyword searches you are targeting.

I have a few pr1 sites that rank much better and produce more traffic and results than a few of my pr3 and pr4 sites.

Rick
Universal4

[webber286]

You are too stuck on pr.

I agree wholeheartedly. For example, our main sportsbook page shows a gray bar for PR which is supposedly a very bad thing. However we rank top 10 in Google for our primary keywords on that page including "online sportsbooks". It's our best ranking sub-page actually.

[universal4]

Wow webber thats good to hear and congrats on that.

Rick
Universal4

[Maccke]

I would also suggest not to focus all too much on PR. Rather try to attract links from a variety of sites - all of the 3 categories you mentioned could have their important part in the wheel..

[megan isla]

This is true that PR does not affect on SERPs, but having good number of quality backlinks must provide good PR for a particular site and backlinks with anchor text as keywords will also helps in ranking.

[universal4]

I personally do NOT like the reply in the above post that is linked to another forum.

Links in signatures are allowed.

Links within a post are normally allowed provided they are on topic and fit within the flow of a post or thread.

But a link that is clearly disguised that leads visitors elsewhere to respond to a thread they think they are responding here....well....

Rick
Universal4

[patmcluk]

Yes i'm not sure i understand how google ranking works. I have only had my site for a few months and my keyword is "Arsenal News" (WHICH IS VERY POPULAR as you can imagine), but i have worked my way up to 19th on that search.
I HAVE collected a lot of links, especially fom other Arsenal sites, which is supposed to be important, i also add my articles to other places all over the web, and bookmark them everywhere too. All the SEO advice columns are saying that article-marketing is the way forward, so i have created my own site for that, and each article i write on there gets either bookmarked or published on at least 20 other sites to spread out the coverage, and to give me extra backlinks! I encourage other people to "steal" my articles once i have got my hits from them, as long as they give my site credit.

[geeksworld]

1 – Write unique quality content
You will be surprised how many webmasters will link back to your content simply because it was useful. The way to getting these links is by keeping your site fresh up to date and well written.


2 – Link directory submissions
There has been a lot of debate recently regarding these types of submissions and it is something I don’t really want to get into today. The fact remains directory listings are still highly efficient back links to your site. You can pay Yahoo! $299 and submit to DMOZ, but you also have to think a little broader. There are thousands of directories out there, especially ones that are topic specific, this means greater relevancy and a more effective link for your site.


Web developer

[Webzcas]

You can pay Yahoo! $299

At $299 per site I can find a lot of better places to market my websites than spending it on a possible inclusion into the Yahoo Directory.

I believe there have been discussions in the past on here regards the merits of inclusion in the yahoo directory. I also believe they only accept new paid submissions for gambling sites for their uk directory.

[pgaming]

I believe there have been discussions in the past on here regards the merits of inclusion in the yahoo directory.

Yes there was Yahoo would not guarantee the inclusion despite paying.

Yahoo Inc., which was identified as Google's biggest competitor, says it allows companies to pay for inclusion in a search but does not guarantee they will appear in search results.


source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...7872-2004Apr30

PR is good for one thing making money off others who think PR actually means something.

greek39

[patmcluk]

1 – Write unique quality content
You will be surprised how many webmasters will link back to your content simply because it was useful. The way to getting these links is by keeping your site fresh up to date and well written.


2 – Link directory submissions
There has been a lot of debate recently regarding these types of submissions and it is something I don’t really want to get into today.

I do all that, but am still only on second page of google. I would NEVER pay $299 to go on any site in the world, and have joined all the directories.,

What else can i do?

[pirneanicolaeovidiu]

I think that you should look into your webmaster tools and see witch pages are more searched/ most wanted and try to work up more on that... About your PR depends witch departament you are working, are your sites the strong version. Another thing the PR has ups and downs all the time is difficult to maintain your position.

[diana]

You are too stuck on pr.

Search engines results mean more than pr.

pr ranking is just "one" of the factors for gaining the results for the keyword searches you are targeting.

I have a few pr1 sites that rank much better and produce more traffic and results than a few of my pr3 and pr4 sites.

Rick
Universal4

at first when my friend told me- come and join me to do some link building for my website- i though "wow thats easy"- well its not!!!! so many opnions and so many confusing subjects, especially concerning pr.
i know that what you are saying is right, but why than evreywhere people still continue to argue about this pr issue? does google spreads some urban legends or is it relly not the point?
need help for closure
cheers