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    I know you're run by a certain organization and that this is an operation that's designed to look legit so that you can confiscate balances of a certain percentage of unsuspecting players. You do that by making them jump through impossible hoops, such as requesting notarized copies of documents (sometimes even a certificate of mental sanity) to be sent by post to Russia, only for you to later claim you never got the letter. You're asking people what their sexual orientation, religion and political views are.

    My biggest concern is what you're doing with the personal information that can be easily misused to open various accounts that can then be used for money laundering. You're definitely not a legal entity that can be trusted to handle personal info responsibly - and there's no one to complain to if you don't.

    Apart from 1xstavka.ru (the local Russian-licenced brand), you're also operating 1xbit.com, xparibet.com, 1xslot.com. The 1xBet website is accessible from 1xbet.com, xbet-1.com and 1xfaa.world.

    Your Cyprus companies - Bonnal Ltd, Exinvest Ltd, Talkeetna Ltd - are all registered at the same address. You can change them around, dissolve them or open new ones as you please. And I have no doubt you will. Your Curacao eGaming (1668/JAZ) licence holders are 1xCorp N.V. and Aspro N.V., and Techinfusion Ltd also used to exist during a brief time during which you pretended to own a Gibraltar licence.

    For all of the above reasons, I made it my business to write a 1xBet review despite not being your partner. The 1600-word review explains in detail what you're doing, is linking to individual theft cases, and is warning people to stay away. I'll make sure my review ends up at #1 on local Google for most 1xBet-related search queries. I can do that. It would be a particular treat if I manage to have your logo with the scam alert graphics appear as the first image on image search for "1xbet". It's nice. Big yellow danger sign. Looks good on you.

    You will NOT be stealing money from my compatriots who worked hard for that money and have already been cheated by the government and everyone else since 1990 onwards, and are betting to try to pay rent and bills. For now I just published the review, but I might as well contact other webmasters in the country to let them know what's going on. I'll also be posting on local forums when I find the time.

    I call everyone who has even an ounce of integrity to stop working with these scammers (despite the affiliate program being clean) and to stop enabling theft of money from people who put their trust in you and your reviews. It's not worth the money you'll make as an aff. There are other bookmakers and casinos to promote. Make a stand. You'll feel good.

    Since these guys do their scam business exclusively online, and rely on affiliates to provide brand recognition and traffic, then the affiliates also have the power to stop this organization from penetrating the European markets further. Up to you all. I've made a stand and am defending my country.

    Serie A, Cardiff, Tottenham Hotspur, CAF African Nations Cup and the Nigerian Football Association all said yes to their money. Sadly, at this moment GPWA is also on the list.

    I'm saying NO.

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    Ok I know you're laughing because I forgot all the Tutkia Ltd brands with a 5536/JAZ licence as well as some Russian brands:

    melbet.com
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    melbet365.com
    betandyou.com
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    astekbet39.com
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    stavkabet.kz
    z-bets.com (z-bets.net)

    and let's not forget the Marikit Holdings Ltd brands with a 8048/JAZ licence:
    casino-z.com
    betwinner.com

    and the white label, owned by Playamo and Bob Casino people:
    22bet.com
    22bet1.com

    So much for "is BetWinner owned by same people as 1xBet". Yes, it is.

    I'm sure there are more domains but I don't see much reason to go on. 13 brands with at least 24 different web addresses, 5 Cyprus companies and 3 different Curacao licences is plenty.

    Which of these should a player chase when his winnings are confiscated?

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    uk-1xbet.com is a masterpiece. Basically, it's a GoWager.co.uk (FSB Tech) white label so you're using their UKGC licence just like 15 more white labels are, and you can actually legally accept UK players and their deposits. But you put the 1xBet logo there. Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    Serie A, Cardiff, Tottenham Hotspur, CAF African Nations Cup and the Nigerian Football Association all said yes to their money. Sadly, at this moment GPWA is also on the list.

    I'm saying NO.
    I say NO too. Thanks for your letter.

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    their affiliate program is far from fair either.. we have money for over a year that we did not receive and raised this issue on different channels with them without any solution. every reply seemed to be dealing with a new person and had to go through all the things over again - surely this is just their strategy of dealing with everyone until you give up

    i ended the test promotion with them since, but for some reason their partners team still have the audacity to email me once every two months to say they are willing to reconsider the commission level to continue working with us and such things... and our reply is always simple: "first pay the owned commissions before talking anything else" - and they go total silence on this, with no other reply.

    still surprised not more affiliates take a stand - because of quick money some may earn, these brands are what also pushes for heavier legislation across Europe and world to protect customers. affiliates must understand we have a responsibility too

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    If anyone would like to link to my 2100-word review of 1xBet so it can climb on Google (currently #4), please PM me. I don't want to put the URL out here in the open, at least not for now.

    In exchange I can link to you from one of my other sites if you want me to return the favor immediately.

    I'll be building some links to that page today, but if some of you get involved too, that would be great. I need to outrank those lollipop reviews. Thanks.

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    Thanks for your effort.

    I think db-bet.com is part of 1xbet too, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone2 View Post
    Thanks for your effort.

    I think db-bet.com is part of 1xbet too, right?
    Yes, thanks. Another Marikit Holdings Ltd brand. And a licence holder I haven't encountered yet, Orakum N.V.

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    I am much more concerned about the regulated brands who stole all my customers. I do not know why I should fight for players before I fight for affiliates. It is enough scams on affiliate side and 1xbet so far are very ok with me.

    Yes, when I stop delivering them traffic they will steal everything, but today this will do everyone just not bet365, SIA (maybe) and interwetten (maybe). But 90% of programs steal even when you are delivering them traffic. 1xbet, from my experience, does not do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by John247 View Post

    still surprised not more affiliates take a stand - because of quick money some may earn, these brands are what also pushes for heavier legislation across Europe and world to protect customers. affiliates must understand we have a responsibility too
    This is valid remark if true. The regulation is the reason why the subpar bookies like 1xbet flourish. Please let's be objective. The affiliate scams started to exist few years ago and those scams made space for 1xbet. Not the other way around.

    The times when I felt responsibility is gone. State and regulation started to cripple everything, so there is no space for honest business nowadays. There is no one left to promote in Europe just 1xbet for sportsbooks. That is the bottom line. Everything else - if you start from scratch - has much lower ROI. The state and internet regulation is the real enemy. The regulation will probably progress even further to absurd things (like the law that was approved today), but that does not mean we have to go against the last hands that feed us.

    Before the sh1tstorm starts falling on my head and I accept it, start arguing to my thread with naming few decent sportsbooks in Europe that have decent affiliate programs and are not bet365.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    jump through impossible hoops, such as requesting notarized copies of documents (sometimes even a certificate of mental sanity) to be sent by post to Russia
    Surely, any sane individual can look at it to be pure BS and trolling. Not surprised. Gambling as an addiction can make people do worse.

    Any gambling (sports, casinos, forex etc.) brand that leads back to Russia and Ukraine (Israel included) is 100% fraud. There isn't even a valid debate here.

    The reason for the survival is that many generally avoid short changing power affiliates.

    Now, regulated ones aren't better either, but they got a paper gun sticking against their heads by posh first world regulators. Fine and taxes are their enemy. Not wanna be chump couch potato suffering delusional disorder.

    For 1xbet, as soon as they screw some big guy in the Putin team, its owner apply for asylum in London (if he hasn't bought the residency already), and the site would be done overnight. It's coming. They'll get theirs.

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    1xbet doesn't take clients from UK and the United States. The owner needs a place to take refuge once all this goes down. Eventually it would. One can only stab so many, and get away with it.

    Putin is corrupt, but if 1xbet becomes a diplomatic problem; its owner would be taken care of.

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    Good day, DanHorvat! Thank you for your message. We always appreciate any opinion


    1) 1xbet is not related to most above mentioned companies.
    2) the list of sites indicated in the message are not 1xBet products.
    3) verification is a standard procedure for all world BCs. It includes requesting the documents necessary to verify identity. This happens in cases where there is doubt about the honesty of the player's actions. This procedure was created to protect the player from scammers who aim to fraudulently steal money.
    4) I can confidently say that the brand never requests players the documents listed by you - political views, sexual orientation, religion.


    I assure that 1xbet guarantees security and privacy to all players. The company tries its best to protect them from fraud, so the allegations that the company uses the players' data for launder money are unfounded and false


    Hope I gave you a more cleaner vision. If you have any questions, Iím always ready to answer them and help to solve the problems that have arisen!

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    Dear Ashley,
    I understand that you must say what you say. But maybe sometimes is better to say nothing, because this is really offending.
    Everyone here knows what you say is bs. Yes there is no public evidence that you do money laundering, but we all see how you handle the players. Also we all see that the software of other sites above is the same. The thread about it is on GPWA. Also is known that other sites are maybe de iure independent, but they are pure whitelabels.

    This thread will end that you will repeat this pathetic crisis management talk and Dan will be just more upset and dedicated about his work to punish you, so he will catch some traffic with that and good for him.

    What about finally to send the signal to the owner, that maybe the business plan is not good? Why I get a real money player for each few hundred signups? Maybe because people are not so stupid? I am 95%+ sure that if you had a honest mafia business like Uncle Enzo in Snowcrash with pizza delivery, we all might make much more money.

    How can I change the direction of the business so the owner will listen? To link to the Dan article? Is that really what you want?

    I feel I am getting old to educate anyone, I care just about business. I really think change of the direction would be profitable, but as someone wrote is maybe too late. But Bet365 10 years ago had also a horrible reputation for bettors.
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    I do not know if I should laugh or cry....it does not matter what I write here...it will not change anything until the bubble bursts..

    It's just ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    If anyone would like to link to my 2100-word review of 1xBet so it can climb on Google (currently #4), please PM me. I don't want to put the URL out here in the open, at least not for now.

    In exchange I can link to you from one of my other sites if you want me to return the favor immediately.

    I'll be building some links to that page today, but if some of you get involved too, that would be great. I need to outrank those lollipop reviews. Thanks.
    Drop me a PM with the url please.

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    Maybe someone from GPWA administration write here? 1xbet is GPWA Platinum sposnor. Or is more rational to keep silence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post

    What about finally to send the signal to the owner, that maybe the business plan is not good?
    For long term maybe. But are they focused on long-term success?
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    It isn't illegal to run your business through satellite companies, and it isn't illegal to hide the true owner.

    But there's an obvious problem regarding handling of sensitive documents, and it doesn't get more sensitive than a selfie with a passport. It's some disposable company (some Limassol building, door 101 or 102) that's officially handling this document. Basically, you don't know who is actually handling it, what is it being used for, and whether GDPR protocols are in place or not. Even if they aren't, who will you take to court?

    I assure you that Ashley Clark isn't this guy's real name and that he's not a native English speaker. Since Ashley is exclusively an English name, and he seems to be having trouble with the basics of the language, this is a fake identity.

    If you are indeed Ashley Clark, do send me your selfie with a passport with today's newspaper in the background via PM, please. You'll send me your certificate of mental sanity by post.

    Thanks for everyone's support, especially the guys who PMed me and posted a link to my review on their sites. You guys rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gil.langelaan View Post
    For long term maybe. But are they focused on long-term success?
    They have an Italian license now. But they're a black market operator in other EU states. I think in the end they'll comply within the EU.

    It will be challenging to go to a white market business model coming from a black market business model based on giving players a hard time to cash out.

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    Dan, I would like to review the entire article. I'm sending you a PM.
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