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    Thumbs up PartyPoker is banning third party software + 500,000$ giveaway.

    1. No more HUDs which means no more Bots = better ecology
    2. New poker hand replayer (already added, looks great)
    3. In June everyone will be forced to change their usernames and will participate in a 500,000$ giveaway which will last for one day only!


    More info about the updates:
    https://poker.partypoker.com/en/blog...re-update.html

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    They should have done this years ago when online poker was super popular. Miss the good old poker days when online poker was actually fun to play.

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    uh... no more huds does NOT equal more bots.

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    It says no more bots since 3rd party tools will not be allowed/won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Affigaming View Post
    They should have done this years ago when online poker was super popular. Miss the good old poker days when online poker was actually fun to play.
    Ditto.

    I'm not a good poker player by any means.
    However back in the day, it was fun albeit not financially rewarding for me, but an enjoyable hobby, when I got bored with casinos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokCas View Post
    It says no more bots since 3rd party tools will not be allowed/won't work.
    forget what 'it says' .. and think about what you are saying. removing player IDs will not stop bots. All poker sites are ridden with bots. They don't care what you screenname is. Okay so they won't be able to bumhunt you based on your screenname or player tendencies, but they will still be able to play on the tables and play GTO poker vs you and the rest of the players.

    they can also gang up on you with other bots, sharing info. they can tell what table each other are on via stack sizes + other factors - so you could unwittingly end up on a table with 3 bots all pushing you around and taking your $..

    this is all just a meaningless marketing gimmick. Anonymous poker tables have been around for years... if anyone cared, they would use 'em.

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    Read the full article, the software will have changes so it will be impossible to use bots/trackers.

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    I am not sure if other sites have good in depth articles of what Party Poker and other poker rooms will be attempting in the changes and BOT bans etc this year,but Calvin Ayre's article here went into a little more detail.
    https://calvinayre.com/2019/04/25/sp...inst-brighton/
    In line with this thinking, partypoker’s new fraud team successfully identified and closed down 277 bot-controlled accounts on the site, and returned more than $735,000 to affected players, recently.
    This was an interesting move they made, but was it enough, or was it more to gain press for doing it?

    Like others, I too never made a lot of $$ playing poker online, but I also very much enjoyed sitting down and playing once in a while, and miss the days where it was far easier for US residents to easily find open tables and low cost sit-and-go tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokCas View Post
    Read the full article, the software will have changes so it will be impossible to use bots/trackers.
    I don't need to read the article to tell you that nobody can stop bots from playing on online poker sites. There are bots on every site already. Player trackers + bots are separate issues.

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    I prefer live games myself, though I don't mind playing against bots online.

    I suppose all bots are usually tags or even nits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    I suppose all bots are usually tags or even nits?
    They just adapt to their opponents... if you're too tight, they will 3bet your wider, double and triple barrel you and use your stats against you [eg your propensity to open light, then fold to 2 barrels or a triple barrel] bot programmers are smart

    At a minimum - In SNGs the bots are ICM wizards... Playing GTO Poker. i.e perfect pushbot / call poker. When you consider that htey can also use player history tracking - they can take exploitation a little further because they know the players ranges and plays with specific stack sizes based on observed history over a large sample size. [this is the edge that anonymizing player screenname will negate, but not the 1st bit, nor the ability for bots to play on the site.. obviously]

    Cashgames they will exploit your stats [eg playing too many hands OOP, defending button too light etc] and you might end up with a couple of bots on your table, cardsharing + squeezing you out of pots by reducing your equity [more players in hand see flop = less chance your AA wins for example].

    This is why I stick to MTTs - the bots don't seem to play MTTs from what i have seen.

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    This is definitely good news for players.

    Quote Originally Posted by PokCas View Post
    1. No more HUDs which means no more Bots = better ecology
    2. New poker hand replayer (already added, looks great)
    3. In June everyone will be forced to change their usernames and will participate in a 500,000$ giveaway which will last for one day only!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ddm View Post
    Anonymous poker tables have been around for years... if anyone cared, they would use 'em.
    The largest of the offshore poker sites that caters to Americans is in fact, completely anonymous and has been for years. People don't mind anonymous tables. I rather like them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ddm View Post
    They just adapt to their opponents... if you're too tight, they will 3bet your wider, double and triple barrel you and use your stats against you [eg your propensity to open light, then fold to 2 barrels or a triple barrel] bot programmers are smart

    At a minimum - In SNGs the bots are ICM wizards... Playing GTO Poker. i.e perfect pushbot / call poker. When you consider that htey can also use player history tracking - they can take exploitation a little further because they know the players ranges and plays with specific stack sizes based on observed history over a large sample size. [this is the edge that anonymizing player screenname will negate, but not the 1st bit, nor the ability for bots to play on the site.. obviously]

    Cashgames they will exploit your stats [eg playing too many hands OOP, defending button too light etc] and you might end up with a couple of bots on your table, cardsharing + squeezing you out of pots by reducing your equity [more players in hand see flop = less chance your AA wins for example].

    This is why I stick to MTTs - the bots don't seem to play MTTs from what i have seen.
    You vastly overstate how strong bots are programmed. Most of them are not on this level and use static, pre-programmed strategies.

    There are MTT bots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    You vastly overstate how strong bots are programmed. Most of them are not on this level and use static, pre-programmed strategies.

    There are MTT bots.
    yes i know, and yes i know - I was just answering about what is possible - and most likely in the 'state of the art' bots which use all available info about players from data-harvesting, hand databases, their own observation + possibly integrated tools like snowie, SNGWiz , piosolver, [insert tool name here]..

    of course you are correct in your assertion that your average bot is basic, probably also runs solo and is operated by a dumbass script kiddie who just buys a bot and runs it with basic logic because they cannot program or do anything smart.... but the guys with the bot-farms, the proxies, and the money are leagues ahead, and do all the stuff I mentioned above fo' sho!

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