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    Default Pirate sites no longer going to be allowed to have gambling ads

    Wasn't sure where to post this, but could see an end to bet365 pop ups when you are watching streams and on other questionable sites.

    Not that it affects me, or probably most on here but the UKGC is specifically banning gambling operators and affiliates from advertising on these sites.

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    I wonder if this will also affect bittorrent/utorrent as well as all the other torrent programs since almost all of them have a heavy use of gaming and gambling ads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    I wonder if this will also affect bittorrent/utorrent as well as all the other torrent programs since almost all of them have a heavy use of gaming and gambling ads.

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    Its one of those grey areas I think, like nzb sites don't actually directly link to the copyrighted material, just to the nzb file, but I would imagine any reputable programme will pull all advertising, all dodgy ones (hello 88 will attempt to get round the rules..

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    So will that be for UK facing torrent sites or any country?
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    Pirate sites? Lol never heard that term for torrent sites before.

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    If they are going to try and enforce affiliates from pulling ads off the torrent sites directly, they should also do so for the ads embedded within the torrent programs.

    The torrent programs help facilitate the downloading of what they are determining is copyrighted material so it is foolish to not include them.

    The torrent sites only link to the torrent file, whereas bittorrent are directly involved in the actual downloading of the material.

    Pirate sites? Lol never heard that term for torrent sites before.
    So you have never heard of Pirate Bay, one of the earliest trend setters and once one of the largest and certainly most controversial pirate sites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    So you have never heard of Pirate Bay, one of the earliest trend setters and once one of the largest and certainly most controversial pirate sites?

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    Yes I have. That is the torrent site that got targeted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renee View Post
    So will that be for UK facing torrent sites or any country?
    It will be for any but not sure how they will police it

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    Pirate sites? Lol never heard that term for torrent sites before.
    I used it as an easy term to cover everything, as it will target live streaming sites, not just torrents

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    If they are going to try and enforce affiliates from pulling ads off the torrent sites directly, they should also do so for the ads embedded within the torrent programs.

    The torrent programs help facilitate the downloading of what they are determining is copyrighted material so it is foolish to not include them.

    The torrent sites only link to the torrent file, whereas bittorrent are directly involved in the actual downloading of the material.


    So you have never heard of Pirate Bay, one of the earliest trend setters and once one of the largest and certainly most controversial pirate sites?

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    The problem with that is, torrents aren't designed to be used with pirate movies etc, they do have a legitimate use, a bit like Kodi, which is a media centre, yet is constantly referred to as the tool to allow the watching of films, live sports etc, when its third party add ons that are allowing that.

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    Very FEW torrents, torrent sites or torrent programs are used for legitimate uses. Sure there are exceptions, but VERY few.

    If the licensing authorities are going to place the restrictions on the sites, I am surprised they have not yet added the wording to cover the programs also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Very FEW torrents, torrent sites or torrent programs are used for legitimate uses. Sure there are exceptions, but VERY few.

    If the licensing authorities are going to place the restrictions on the sites, I am surprised they have not yet added the wording to cover the programs also.

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    I agree but the client itself isn't illegal, so would be surprised if they were banned from them, and actually wouldn't agree with it. The sites that list the torrents yes, but not the client software.
    It would be like saying a TV can be used to watch pirate movies, so ban all adverts from TV.

    I do get what you're saying and completely agree probably 99.9% of torrent clients are used for illegal purposes, but until the clients are illegal then there shouldn't be any restrictions on them.

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    Well the torrent sites would not be illegal if they didn't have any links to torrents of copyrighted material, but they do, and the vast majority of all links are of this nature.

    That is the same logic they can, (and in my opinion) most likely will in the near future, use to limit the advertising on the clients.

    We are not talking about whether various groups can apply pressure to have the sites shut down or the clients made illegal and removed from the net for download and install.

    We are talking about gaming licensing authorities applying pressure to the operators to get them and their affiliate groups from allowing the ads to be run on certain sites and or applications.

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    Question from a Lay person when it comes to Torrents .. If these sites are all Illegal and contain Illegal Content to Download or Pirated Content should governments not concentrate on shutting these down instead of being worried about what content is advertised on them or are there legal Torrents also ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles_FTA View Post
    Question from a Lay person when it comes to Torrents .. If these sites are all Illegal and contain Illegal Content to Download or Pirated Content should governments not concentrate on shutting these down instead of being worried about what content is advertised on them or are there legal Torrents also ?
    Torrent clients are legal
    Torrent sites that link to pirate material (eg piratebay) are not.

    They do, or at least the companies being paid by the film companies do, but they just spring up again on another URL as soon as they are blocked.

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    I agree,

    But since torrent clients are PREDOMINANTLY used for illegal purposes, I think it is only a matter of time before the licensing authorities just go ahead and add them into the list of places that is restricted for advertising.

    The torrent sites themselves would be legal if they did not PREDOMINANTLY link to all illegal torrents either.

    There have been various government crackdowns and shutdowns of some torrent sites in the past, but they have often just moved to other countries and other hosts that ignore takedown notices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    I agree,

    But since torrent clients are PREDOMINANTLY used for illegal purposes, I think it is only a matter of time before the licensing authorities just go ahead and add them into the list of places that is restricted for advertising.

    The torrent sites themselves would be legal if they did not PREDOMINANTLY link to all illegal torrents either.

    There have been various government crackdowns and shutdowns of some torrent sites in the past, but they have often just moved to other countries and other hosts that ignore takedown notices.

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    Well yes I agree with the sites, but thats like saying someone who stole a car wouldn't be a car thief if he hadn't stole it. Torrent sites only purpose is to link to pirate material.
    Torrent clients only use is to share files. Just because the majority of people using it share illegal copyrighted files doesn't and will never make it illegal, just like mIRC hasn't been closed down, you can buy blank cds and dvds and newsreaders are perfectly legal, all have been around much longer than any torrent client.

    Having said that its up to an advertiser if they want to advertise in any of those places, but I'm not sure the UKGC should be able to make that decision.

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    If torrent sites exist mainly to link to pirated material, then torrent clients exist to help people get pirated material.

    There are some but very few non-pirating uses of torrent clients.

    And the licensing authorities are trying to improve the image and perceptions of gambling being associated with other termed illegal activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    If torrent sites exist mainly to link to pirated material, then torrent clients exist to help people get pirated material.

    There are some but very few non-pirating uses of torrent clients.

    And the licensing authorities are trying to improve the image and perceptions of gambling being associated with other termed illegal activities.

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    In my view you are looking at it wrong, the torrent sites that get closed down ONLY exist to link to pirate material.
    Torrent clients exist for filesharing and get used to share pirate movies.

    Its like saying knives should be banned because they get used to stab people. But knives aren't illegal and don't exist only to cause harm.

    Why should the authors of the clients miss out on revenue because of something beyond their control?

    I still don't think we should be in a nanny state where people are told what they can and can't do, if the authorities in the UK wanted to they could go after the affiliates by way of the theft act, for example, hit them with conspiracy to defraud xxx charges, wouldn't be easy but they could win and watch how quickly ads would disappear. I have no doubt FACT and the MPAA are behind this which makes it worse as then its private companies dictating the laws.

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    Correct,

    The majority of users using torrent software use the software exactly the way you stated.
    Torrent clients exist for filesharing and get used to share pirate movies.
    (and other pirated software)

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Correct,

    The majority of users using torrent software use the software exactly the way you stated.
    (and other pirated software)

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    I'm not arguing about what it gets used for, but the fact is the client is not remotely illegal, so why should the developer lose advertising revenue?
    I've seen uploads of movies on facebook, should their advertising revenue be stopped? There are thousands of clips on youtube violating copyright, why do they still have advertising?
    Should this forum have its advertising removed as there are many 1000's of warez/nzb/torrent sites that use vbulletin, so by your argument, then all vbulletin advertising for gambling sites should be removed.

    I get what your saying but I don't agree the UKGC should be judge and jury in deciding where a private company can advertise.

    Funnily enough a French court has just ruled against 'torrent' being banned from search engines as it would affect the high number of legitimate users. Presumably they saw figures and decided from that there is a large number of people do actually use them for legitimate file sharing, which surprised me I must say

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