Promoting more than on CR casino...

[FictionNet]

I'm sure I've discussed this before but I think it's worth re-raising. Not all affiliates will be aware of this term found within the t&c of all Casino Rewards properties: "you may not redeem more than one sign up bonus within the Casino Rewards network, regardless of the individual casino offering the sign up bonus."

I really think this needs to be relooked at. As things stand, it makes little sense for affiliates to promote more than one CR casino. I'm not aware of any other casino network who limit players in this way and given that players will need to meet playthrough requirements, it does seem a little pointless.

Wotcha think, Renee?

[Renee]

Hey Rob

Is there any reason that you purposely only posted half of that term? If I didn't know better I would assume you were trying to stir up a negative discussion on purpose. I hope that's not what you were trying to do.

This is the full term:

8.In the event that the Player has not made a deposit at this or any other Casino Rewards member casino, you may not redeem more than one sign up bonus within the Casino Rewards network, regardless of the individual casino offering the sign up bonus.

Now with the entire term in front of you, it probably makes sense that this term is used so that people who are only after free money and not interested in playing with their own money are not hopping from one casino to the next just to get the bonus..

I think this is a fair term and considering that affiliates are supposed to be sending players who are interested in playing, therefore making you a commission, I can't see how this term would offend any affiliate who is serious about being a long term affiliate.

[FictionNet]

WTF, Renee? Was there ANY need for that nasty reply? I'll reply later when I'm less pissed off.

[FictionNet]

Actually, fuck it. I'll post now.

I posted what I thought was RELEVANT. That's IT. Do you really think I'm the sort of person who wants to pick and choose bits of a term to "stir up a negative discussion on purpose"? WTF? Really?

Clearly, you don't know me at all. Thanks, Renee. Nice judgement. And my opinion stands - I think it's an unneccesary term, especially as CR are one of the few groups who do things this way. Your comment that "I can't see how this term would offend any affiliate who is serious about being a long term affiliate." is unfair and - to be blunt - rather unintelligent. I wasn't offended by the term. I was asking about it. Get the difference? That's what this forum is for - discussing issues, making suggestions and asking questions.

[arkyt]

This is the full term:

8.In the event that the Player has not made a deposit at this or any other Casino Rewards member casino, you may not redeem more than one sign up bonus within the Casino Rewards network, regardless of the individual casino offering the sign up bonus.

Now with the entire term in front of you, it probably makes sense that this term is used so that people who are only after free money and not interested in playing with their own money are not hopping from one casino to the next just to get the bonus..

So as long as the player makes a deposit at the current CR casino / or another CR casino - they are then free and able to collect bonuses at multiple CR casinos?

[Renee]

Actually, fuck it. I'll post now.

I posted what I thought was RELEVANT. That's IT. Do you really think I'm the sort of person who wants to pick and choose bits of a term to "stir up a negative discussion on purpose"? WTF? Really?

Clearly, you don't know me at all. Thanks, Renee. Nice judgement. And my opinion stands - I think it's an unneccesary term, especially as CR are one of the few groups who do things this way. Your comment that "I can't see how this term would offend any affiliate who is serious about being a long term affiliate." is unfair and - to be blunt - rather unintelligent. I wasn't offended by the term. I was asking about it. Get the difference? That's what this forum is for - discussing issues, making suggestions and asking questions.

The reason I thought that might be the case is because the half that you posted, and the full term separate mean 2 totally different things.

Please read your first post again and tell me you cannot see how I thought you might be being nasty? I think it's obvious that it could be construed that way, just like you thought I was being nasty which I wasn't..

Next thing, I'm not going to have a "discussion" with someone who calls me names like unintelligent, so if you want a response from me, cut that out.

I used the word "offend" because I thought that was the best way (nicest way) to describe being "pissed off" about something. I'll be a little more blunt next time so i don't confuse anyone.

The reason this term was added was because of abuse in the past. As I mentioned, a player who is only after bonus money is not profitable to you as an affiliate, or us as a business. Remember, the casino is a business. We are not here to just give out free money to every person who asks for it. The point of a sign up bonus is to entice the player to be a regular "customer" or player at the casino.

Let me show you an example that may make it easier to understand where the casino is coming from.

You own a business - a corner store.

Business is steady, but you would like to grow your business because that's what people with businesses do. You do it with your affiliate business - send new players each month so you can grow your commission. This is the aim for every business..

So you own this corner store. For a short time you were offering 2 for 1 ice creams in hope that once the promotion ends, people will like your ice cream so will continue to be your customer and buy ice cream at the regular price, increasing your profitability.

You notice that there are new people who come in every day because of the two for one ice cream, so it looks like the promotion is working and you may see some new business.

Once the promotion has ended, only half of the new faces continue to purchase your ice cream at the regular price. Not as successful as you thought, but still made a little extra money with the people who continue to buy the ice cream. After a week or so you make back the money you lost with the promo and are now back in the green.

A month later you run the same promotion, but on lollipops.

You see some people who were only coming in for the 2 for 1 ice cream come in for the 2 for 1 lollipop. Once the promotion has ended, you never see them again.

Now apply that to the casino. We offer a sign up bonus in hope that the player will become a regular player and will like our casino so will deposit their own money, except after they receive our freebie, we never see them again until we offer them yet another freebie, which means we are constantly at a loss from these players.

These kind of players make it harder for legitimate players to enjoy the freebies because they force the casino to add a term such as the one you are writing about in order to protect them from losing money in this way. Legitimate players will not be caught in this trap, and hopefully it will be a deterrent for players who are not interested in anything apart from free money from the casino.

You have probably noticed lately that a lot of smaller groups are going under - bad risk management departments and T&Cs not eliminating this kind of behaviour play a huge role in this.

If I was an affiliate I would be questioning why programs aren't doing more to eliminate these kind of players because at the end of the day, they are hurting you guys when the program/casino group closes down.

[Renee]

So as long as the player makes a deposit at the current CR casino / or another CR casino - they are then free and able to collect bonuses at multiple CR casinos?

Correct.

One thing to note is that if the player hops through every casino and makes the minimum purchase to claim the maximum bonus, they will likely get picked up by this rule.

9.In the event that Casino Action deems a Player to have misused a casino account for the exploitation of promotional offers, without ever demonstrating any degree of risk with personal funds or serious intention to play, the redemption of all such promotional offers, including but not limited to sign-up bonuses, will be suspended until such times as the Player demonstrates a playing history whereby a risk of personal funds is periodically demonstrated at the Casino.

[FictionNet]

re: "Next thing, I'm not going to have a "discussion" with someone who calls me names like unintelligent, so if you want a response from me, cut that out."

Fine by me, Renee. It was YOU who got pissy and YOU who got personal so don't act like you're the wronged one here. You've clearly got a serious chip on your shoulder and it's not my job to help you realise that.

I won't be talking to you again. I asked a reasonable question and you threw an immature hissy fit. I'm done with you.

[Renee]

Rob if you read any of what I initially wrote you'll see none of it was "pissy". You asked what I thought and I gave you my opinion. Because it was different to yours, you called me names. Hardly a way to have a discussion.

And yep, since I didn't call you any names, I think it's fair to request you stop calling me names.

To be honest I'm tired of being spoken to like a ragdoll on the street. It's ok for you guys to talk to us that way, but when you think you're getting spoken back to like that, the whole world comes down. Treat others as you would like to be treated is how the saying goes, no?

If you had asked me the same question using the whole term, you would have got the same response, minus anything to do with it only being half the term.

So your question "Wotcha think, Renee?" Would have been met with:

I think this is a fair term and considering that affiliates are supposed to be sending players who are interested in playing, therefore making you a commission, I can't see how this term would offend any affiliate who is serious about being a long term affiliate.

That's what I think. You asked, I told you. I was brief and right to the point. I didn't beat around the bush and told you exactly the answer to your question. How is that pissy? It only seemed pissy because I called you out on posting half a term which means something totally different when only half posted. The casino is not able to confiscate funds on half a term, so that makes the full term relevant.

As I said before, if you're willing to leave out the name calling, I'm happy to continue the discussion. You and I generally have good random chats on msn so I couldn't figure out why you would try to start a discussion like this, which is why I started with "if I didn't know better"...

[Daera]

I've received sign-up bonuses in all of the Rewards casinos. I've never had any problem getting any bonus from Rewards.I am a depositing player though.

As a player and an affiliate, I certainly don't have a problem with terms put in place to stop or limit bonus abuse. We lose some great promo's due to bonus abuse by others. That always pisses me off.

For the most part, the only people I've seen post complaints with their bonuses here were bonus abusers/advantage players. I'm talking about posts at Casinomeisters mostly.

Belle Rock used to have a similiar bonus term. Not sure if it's still there now, but I imagine it is.