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    Angry Quasar Limited requires VAT number from its partners ?

    As per 1st of January 2017 Quasar Limited (incl. OVO Affiliates) require a VAT number and I ask myself why this is needed.

    As a private person one don't have a VAT number and as a private person you do not make any invoices.

    So, for whom they need a VAT number from private persons ?

    For the tax authority to specify and forwarding the earnings with identification for their partners ? On what basis do they demand it ?

    I only heard that this is a management decision without exactly explanation. They only say we need it and finished.

    Quasar Ltd. is now the only partner program where requested, its already strange.

    It would be other, if one have a registered business then you have also a VAT number but on on registration form you can decide whether you are subject to VAT or not.



    It's an absurdity to require from private.

    I look forward to the exact explanation of Quasar, if they have any.

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    Quite a few countries the slef employed are also subject to VAT, if you work within the EU you pay it, the UK there is a threshold in which usually there is a agreement in place but some goverments do not understand this, or accountants

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    Quite a few countries the slef employed are also subject to VAT, if you work within the EU you pay it, the UK there is a threshold in which usually there is a agreement in place but some goverments do not understand this, or accountants
    Okay, but we are talking about private persons and not self-employed, equal whether in or not within EU.

    We don't do this as self-employed but as secondary activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insider View Post
    Okay, but we are talking about private persons and not self-employed, equal whether in or not within EU.

    We don't do this as self-employed but as secondary activity.
    If you are earning income from affiliate marketing then you are not a "private person" in respect of those earnings. You are self-employed and running a business, whether it is your main source of income or a secondary income.

    I could be wrong but they may be asking for a vat number to avoid having to self account for the vat in their own country, on the affiliate marketing services that they "import"


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    Most of the time brands asking for your VAT number or wanting to send them an invoive with VAT do not understand the principle of vat under the "reverse charge rule"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insider View Post
    Okay, but we are talking about private persons and not self-employed, equal whether in or not within EU.

    We don't do this as self-employed but as secondary activity.
    EU Charges VAT or Reverse Charges VAT to member countries for Services and products, it does not apply to EU vs Non EU countries.

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    Did I hear "I'm a private person so I ignore VAT" ... ? (and TAX) ?

    If you are achieving any sort of revenue numbers after six years in the game (I note you joined in July 2010) then I suggest that you probably should be more aware of both components and collecting / paying both sales taxes (VAT) and income taxes on your affiliate endevours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    Did I hear "I'm a private person so I ignore VAT" ... ? (and TAX) ?

    If you are achieving any sort of revenue numbers after six years in the game (I note you joined in July 2010) then I suggest that you probably should be more aware of both components and collecting / paying both sales taxes (VAT) and income taxes on your affiliate endevours.
    If you pay more than 50% income tax in total what is the difference LOL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    Did I hear "I'm a private person so I ignore VAT" ... ? (and TAX) ?

    If you are achieving any sort of revenue numbers after six years in the game (I note you joined in July 2010) then I suggest that you probably should be more aware of both components and collecting / paying both sales taxes (VAT) and income taxes on your affiliate endevours.

    There are 22 countries that have no income taxes.
    Then there are additional 32+ countries that do not tax income from abroad.
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    *Unless you are a citizen of corporation disguised as state (codename: USA; Canada coming soon). Then you have to pay taxes whenever you live to your parent corporation-state. But you can (still!) pay ransom and renounce citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post

    There are 22 countries that have no income taxes.
    Then there are additional 32+ countries that do not tax income from abroad.
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    *Unless you are a citizen of corporation disguised as state (codename: USA; Canada coming soon). Then you have to pay taxes whenever you live to your parent corporation-state. But you can (still!) pay ransom and renounce citizenship.
    But every single country taxes goods or services, I have found after living in Tax free countries that you always pay one way or another, either by inflated prices of local and imported goods 100-300% tax on a car, computers etc or lack of security and stability those countries bring, Though I'm sure there are exceptions

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    Well sure. If you have overall taxation 10% of GDP instead of 30-50% as the developed world is used to; and on the top the GDP is much smaller, everyone will realize the trade-off you just described. I am just saying there are countries - plenty of them - where are no taxes. And nobody says you must live only there after all. All you have to do is to avoid being 6+ months in high taxed country and have residence in no/low taxed country in short (if you are not US citizen).

    The lack of security is just something that we see from out point of view. Yes, the crime rates can be as high as 100x higher. But that is usually average for the country. Almost every of the countries has some high-end areas, where usually even girls can walk alone in the night and are probably safer than in London, Paris or Roma. Only you have to adjust yoru habits. One hour ago I went to a walk in Belo Horizonte, lost my way and found myself in favela. I turned around very quickly, being spotted by black guy in sweatshirt with a cap. After few assaults one can spot those things and be relatively safe even when living out of the safe cage.

    Life is always a choice. For 100% online jobs paying the income taxes is also a choice. (In fact I still pay so much taxes at least in the UK and Europe, that I am probably happy that for the nontransparency of affiliates about that )
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    Dear All,

    Thank you for all your comments.

    The newsletter which Quasar and OVO affiliates have sent out, is in order to inform their partners that as from the 1st January 2017, Quasar Limited shall be sole party to the agreement between the affiliate program and the affiliates. Consequently QSL Support N.V. will no longer be part of the relationship with the affiliates. In view of such change, Quasar limited will be issuing all commission payments. Since Quasar Limited is registered within the European Union, affiliates, regardless of whether they are a private person or a legal entity will be required to provide a valid VAT number for their payments to be processed. The Newsletter has been sent ahead of changes that shall come into force on the 1st of January 2017 to give preparation time for affiliates effected by this change to comply with these new requirements. The registration form will be updated shortly to cater for such changes. Should any affiliates require any further clarifications, they are requested to get in touch with their account manager.

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    ... regardless of whether they are a private person or a legal entity will be required to provide a valid VAT number for their payments to be processed.
    Rebecca, thanks for explaining! But with regards, thats nonsense. Germany, Czechia ... and so on - i don't need to inquire a VAT to do business in Europe. Within specific limits for sure.

    But you make a valid VAT number to a requirement to receive affiliate payments in general???
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuasarAffiliates View Post
    Dear All,

    Thank you for all your comments.

    The newsletter which Quasar and OVO affiliates have sent out, is in order to inform their partners that as from the 1st January 2017, Quasar Limited shall be sole party to the agreement between the affiliate program and the affiliates. Consequently QSL Support N.V. will no longer be part of the relationship with the affiliates. In view of such change, Quasar limited will be issuing all commission payments. Since Quasar Limited is registered within the European Union, affiliates, regardless of whether they are a private person or a legal entity will be required to provide a valid VAT number for their payments to be processed. The Newsletter has been sent ahead of changes that shall come into force on the 1st of January 2017 to give preparation time for affiliates effected by this change to comply with these new requirements. The registration form will be updated shortly to cater for such changes. Should any affiliates require any further clarifications, they are requested to get in touch with their account manager.

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    That's nonsense. Not all Companys aren't required to bet VAT registered in UK for example. Whats happens to those affiliates or those registered as sole traders?

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    This is the first time I hear that a private person needs to have a VAT-number. That person isn't allowed to charge VAT, but need a VAT-number. I do quite some business with private individuals, a receipt is ok for my accountant.

    It has nothing to do with laws, but it can be a choice of Quasar to just deal with companies and not with private persons. That's their right, but it would be fair it would be communicated like this. Now Quasar seem to be hiding after a law that doesn't exist.

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    I believe the law for EU entities (physical persons or companies) is following:
    VAT registration is mandatory if:
    - you are above certain threshold and you have income only inside of the one country where you have residence
    - you have income from other state of EU (then even 1 Euro triggers mandatory VAT registration)

    There are designated offices of Ministries of Finance in each member state of EU that handle those transactions.

    I know there was a lot of bad words not long ago, when even the small bloggers that had some adsense revenue had to be VAT registered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuasarAffiliates View Post
    Dear All,

    Thank you for all your comments.

    The newsletter which Quasar and OVO affiliates have sent out, is in order to inform their partners that as from the 1st January 2017, Quasar Limited shall be sole party to the agreement between the affiliate program and the affiliates. Consequently QSL Support N.V. will no longer be part of the relationship with the affiliates. In view of such change, Quasar limited will be issuing all commission payments. Since Quasar Limited is registered within the European Union, affiliates, regardless of whether they are a private person or a legal entity will be required to provide a valid VAT number for their payments to be processed. The Newsletter has been sent ahead of changes that shall come into force on the 1st of January 2017 to give preparation time for affiliates effected by this change to comply with these new requirements. The registration form will be updated shortly to cater for such changes. Should any affiliates require any further clarifications, they are requested to get in touch with their account manager.

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    When you request the VAT number you also must provide the creditnote for the commission payment stating how you calculate the VAT.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...s-and-services

    7.4 Sales to non VAT registered customers
    Where you make a supply of specified goods or services to a customer who is not VAT registered or is not liable to be registered for UK VAT the reverse charge procedure does not apply. In such instances VAT should be applied in the normal way.

    To my knowledge customers for the VAT are the END users (players) when selling services. It is up to the company to collect and pay the VAT accordingly.

    Commissions are paid out by the merchant as a cost against his product sales. It has nothing to do with the monies received from the consumer of the product that is why they have to use the reverse charge.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GCG View Post
    To my knowledge customers for the VAT are the END users (players) when selling services.
    It's a bit complicated, BUT, from what I read they can ask to be VAT exempt in Malta if they can prove to MGA that affiliates (via aff program) offer "services which are strictly required, related and essential and which form part of the on-line gaming transaction itself".

    Next, for non EU persons, from what i know, in order to trade with customers in EU they need a VAT number, but not in case of companies (b2b).
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    And the next one is already waiting: They just change the name and that's it!


    • And lastly, please note that as of 1st January 2017 all operation relating to the Star Games Affiliate Tool shall be moved from Europe Support Limited N.V. in Curacao to Europe Entertainment Limited in Malta. As a result any commissions earned as from 1st January will be payable to you by Europe Entertainment Limited.

    This will not have much of an impact on you, however in order to ensure a smooth transition and no delays in commission payment, we ask you to ensure ALL your personal and company details are updated ACCURATELY in the affiliate tool. Furthermore you will now be required to input a valid VAT number (mandatory for affiliates resident/registered in EU) in the affiliate tool irrespective whether you are listed as an individual or company. If you are listed as a private individual, the section in the affiliate tool to input your VAT no. will be available in the coming days, as we are updating the system. You shall be receiving another detailed email separately about the process explaining everything, however do not hesitate to contact me should you have any queries.

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    It is a question for EU lawmakers, not the affiliates. And probably for you too, because you are still staying in the EU. Take it or leave.
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