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    I was one of the people who last time who was vocal about legal action, however I was never affected by the changes, I have always had 6+ NDP since then so couldn't do anything legally, you can't sue for loss if theres no loss. Had my earnings fell below the 6 and I had lost I would have made a claim. I will be this time, there will be a loss, so will be 100% able to claim.

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    Update: I have contacted 3 local solicitors who have expertise in litigation surrounding breach of contract and business debt recovery. As you would expect all were busy at the time I called, but I have heard back from the first one and explained the situation. He believes there may well be the basis of a case. I've sent over the relevant documentation and am waiting to hear back.

    Those people who contacted me privately, I'll respond to you each individually when I have a clear idea of how I am going to proceed. If I am going with an individual case, I will pass on details of the solicitor I choose to use, so you can contact them individually if you wish. If we decide on a group action I will see who wants to join at that time.

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    Anyone else think this is the beginning of something big about to go down in the gambling affiliate industry? I wonder how much truth there is to this from the skybet email.

    "As you will be aware, the regulatory landscape in which the industry operates is developing and maturing and operators are experiencing increased obligations regarding their regulatory responsibilities and level of compliance. In order to continue to operate in a compliant manner, we feel that operating the Programme is no longer viable and that managing the output of affiliates presents a significant risk to our business from a regulatory perspective."

    If this is the case then I can see others following Skybet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TinShed View Post
    Anyone else think this is the beginning of something big about to go down in the gambling affiliate industry? I wonder how much truth there is to this from the skybet email.

    "As you will be aware, the regulatory landscape in which the industry operates is developing and maturing and operators are experiencing increased obligations regarding their regulatory responsibilities and level of compliance. In order to continue to operate in a compliant manner, we feel that operating the Programme is no longer viable and that managing the output of affiliates presents a significant risk to our business from a regulatory perspective."

    If this is the case then I can see others following Skybet.

    Using compliance as an excuse. They get to shaft affiliate while getting the public on their side by saying it the fault of tipsters giving out losing tips other dodgy affiliates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinShed View Post
    Anyone else think this is the beginning of something big about to go down in the gambling affiliate industry? I wonder how much truth there is to this from the skybet email.

    "As you will be aware, the regulatory landscape in which the industry operates is developing and maturing and operators are experiencing increased obligations regarding their regulatory responsibilities and level of compliance. In order to continue to operate in a compliant manner, we feel that operating the Programme is no longer viable and that managing the output of affiliates presents a significant risk to our business from a regulatory perspective."

    If this is the case then I can see others following Skybet.


    It looks like the iGaming affiliate industry may well become the new whipping boy for the British press following the articles concerning the 888 GC fine last week. I think however Sky have had this planned for a long time and are taking advantage of the negative press from last the week to push it through.

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    I do not think it is the beginning. We are in the middle of it.

    Speaking about sports:
    Coral/Ladbrokes, Paddy/betfair, Skybet - all defacto closing in the UK. All others except bet365 steal.
    Half of the continental Euro countries have no single useful or profitable affiliate program (France, Portugal, Holland, Czech, Romania, Poland, Italy, Greece...). Another half will follow soon with restrictions.
    US is hopefully being saved by bitcoins.
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    each one latched on to the ass of the previous
    when the last and the first latch on it can be shown
    ass-blood sucked by the first from the last is his own

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackTenSuited View Post
    Using compliance as an excuse. They get to shaft affiliate while getting the public on their side by saying it the fault of tipsters giving out losing tips other dodgy affiliates.
    This is very poor journalist "work" by Guardian.

    It is the same nonsense that affiliate can give losing tips as he can give winning tips. The tips are random and house takes the juice. Anyone who can pick losing tips, can pick winning tips as well.

    Tipster sites are a scam, but not for the quoted reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinShed View Post
    Anyone else think this is the beginning of something big about to go down in the gambling affiliate industry? I wonder how much truth there is to this from the skybet email.

    "As you will be aware, the regulatory landscape in which the industry operates is developing and maturing and operators are experiencing increased obligations regarding their regulatory responsibilities and level of compliance. In order to continue to operate in a compliant manner, we feel that operating the Programme is no longer viable and that managing the output of affiliates presents a significant risk to our business from a regulatory perspective."

    If this is the case then I can see others following Skybet.

    It's a pure bullshit excuse to try and give reasoning for them doing what they have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colin3005 View Post
    I was one of the people who last time who was vocal about legal action, however I was never affected by the changes, I have always had 6+ NDP since then so couldn't do anything legally, you can't sue for loss if theres no loss. Had my earnings fell below the 6 and I had lost I would have made a claim. I will be this time, there will be a loss, so will be 100% able to claim.
    Ditto. It was never about not doing anything after the last debacle.

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    The Guardian = Lefty Communist Corbynista BBC-worker's-fave Rag. Of course they're going to be against those evil gambling companies, evil corporations, evil everything to do with capitalism so we need to create a communist welfare state. Power to the people, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punters Lounge View Post
    It's a pure bullshit excuse to try and give reasoning for them doing what they have done.
    Yep I think 'opportunistic' is the word. They've waited until a good time to do this and now they have an ideal excuse - we are now not partners, we are now 'a risk'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinShed View Post
    Anyone else think this is the beginning of something big about to go down in the gambling affiliate industry? I wonder how much truth there is to this from the skybet email.

    "As you will be aware, the regulatory landscape in which the industry operates is developing and maturing and operators are experiencing increased obligations regarding their regulatory responsibilities and level of compliance. In order to continue to operate in a compliant manner, we feel that operating the Programme is no longer viable and that managing the output of affiliates presents a significant risk to our business from a regulatory perspective."

    If this is the case then I can see others following Skybet.

    No. Quite simply they could get rid of the affiliates that did not abide by the advertising rules. However that would not be as profitable for them in the short term.

    You will see how much it has to do advertising regulations when the thieves pop back up on another affiliate program. And just like Foxy have observed in the past, the clowns will go running back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinShed View Post
    Anyone else think this is the beginning of something big about to go down in the gambling affiliate industry? I wonder how much truth there is to this from the skybet email.

    "As you will be aware, the regulatory landscape in which the industry operates is developing and maturing and operators are experiencing increased obligations regarding their regulatory responsibilities and level of compliance. In order to continue to operate in a compliant manner, we feel that operating the Programme is no longer viable and that managing the output of affiliates presents a significant risk to our business from a regulatory perspective."

    If this is the case then I can see others following Skybet.

    Saturated brands will use this kind of things as an excuse to shave affiliates.

    But.. I do think some things will change. Companies are wanting to mitigate risks, especially if it are public listed companies. There's a conflict of interest between the rev. share model and sport betting tips. And also, fake stories about jackpot winners will be problematic, just like people tipping gambling schemes that don't work, giving the idea that gambling is a way of generating structural income, etc.

    But what Sky is doing is shaving and abusing the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loquax View Post
    December 2009 Wayback Machine

    https://web.archive.org/web/20091215...e=affhub_terms



    I suspect that the amendments to the agreements over time that have been "agreed" when you login/tick the box in affiliate hub will supersede the original contract. However, it would be interesting to know the legal position because I suspect this won't be the last we see of these kind of decisions.

    Jason
    But those circumstances are not applicable, isn't it?

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    So they are going to get away with murder?

    I refferred thousands of customers to them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    But those circumstances are not applicable, isn't it?
    As per the link that loquax shared.

    Here's the golden egg for any of you who signed up before 2010:

    13.1 All amendments to this Agreement shall be in writing and signed by an authorised signatory of each Party.

    Their own term invalidates any boxes you may have ticked, and any subsequent changes they may have made. Unless you signed an amendment, the original terms apply, and no termination clause exists.

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    I know a UK solicitor in the Gambling arena who is looking into this. Several guys have already joined together.

    If anyone wants more info, please let me know.
    New Projects. Lets see how the 3rd Journey goes.
    https://esportsjunkie.com/ https://www.bigfreebet.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannyBetting View Post
    As per the link that loquax shared.

    Here's the golden egg for any of you who signed up before 2010:

    13.1 All amendments to this Agreement shall be in writing and signed by an authorised signatory of each Party.

    Their own term invalidates any boxes you may have ticked, and any subsequent changes they may have made. Unless you signed an amendment, the original terms apply, and no termination clause exists.
    Just ran the report for when I sighned up. 23 June 2011.

    Dammit

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    I have evidence - This is how Sky Betting & Gaming are manipulating the Google algorithm.
    I will share it shortly.

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    I think there are two things the affiliate community should be very careful in the next months and years:

    1 - That SkyBet won't reopen a new affiliate programme - This will mean robbing all affiliates to cut costs and than try to screw again. If they do they should at the very least reactivate old accounts.
    2 - That SkyBet brand do not appear on any large affiliate sites - This will mean stealing all players from existing affiliates and try to cover themselves by reinvesting our income with some super-affiliates

    If any of the two things above will happen that I believe there is ground for a jointed legal action as it will mean Sky is doing something very similar to a fraud.

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