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    Hello to the Forum,
    here is my horrorstory with earn. After working several months with them and after getting paid always in time, they will not pay me this time.

    Our sportsbook team flagged the play pattern of the only active player on your account in November as suspected arbitrage betting. The player in question has been limited on our sportsbook.

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    after i complained, they were telling me, that this decission is final and there is nothing i can do. So they leave me no choice and i will post it here.
    After Cherry bought them, a lot has changed to the worse. A lot of my players were restricted with some stupid excuses.I mean ok, restrict the player,if he is not profitable is one part, but not paying the affiliate is a NO GO! And my player always lost! So why restrict a losing player? I will never understand this. He is losing, making good commission and you kick him and you will not pay me. This is crazy! I mean,if you saying...well ok...player is doing arbitage, but he losses we need to restrict him...is ok for me...but not to pay the commission from the money you already earned is fraud!
    And to be honest...NO arbitage player in the world would use comeon for arbitage...it is simple impossible to do arbitage with comeon...bad odds and german players pays 5% betting tax...so tell me how in the world any player can do arbitage?!?!?

    So it also doesn't matter if i have only 1 big player and 3-4 small as long as i promote in good faith,which i did and which never was a problem in the past months, i see no reason not to pay me.
    So i just want to warn everybody from earnaffiliates and i think they don't deserve "Gold Sponsor" Label! If you waste your time with them, you will get screwed and i am sure a lot of other affiliates having problems after cherry took over.

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    Now it all makes sense. I can see I am not the only one who Earn affiliates are trying to cheat. The name of the affiliate program sucks just like the fact they try to earn by stealing the affiliate commission. They come out with the same old story for arbitrage betting, however with no evidence for it. I have been working for years with the top brands on the market and have never been accused in anything like this. Bottom line there is no reason for my money to be held and I want to get paid.

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    Having no Problems with payments so far, but it is true, that they are going down big time. All my long term players (playing since 4-5 years) are restricted with excuses. Also were talking to some former Managers and they also telling me, since cherry took over, this company is getting every day a bit worse. So i will also stop with them. I will not waste my time with them and risk it to get not paid.

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    I let the Head of Affiliates know about your post so they can hopefully investigate for you.

    Personally we haven't ever had any trouble with them so I hope you can get it resolved.

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    Hopefully, it should be resolved very soon for you!

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    Hi,


    Thanks Claire for bringing this thread to my attention, unfortunately I didn't receive any alerts.


    Ann1911, I tried to PM you but wasn't able to, please could you send me your Earn username so that I can investigate.


    Hocrux, I would appreciate it if you could do the same, again so I can check your account.


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    Sportwettenaustausch - I am very sorry that you feel this way, however I can assure you that there have been no management changes since the merge with Cherry, in fact we have exactly the same senior management team as we always have. I have PM'd you


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    What is sports arbitrage betting?

    Arbitrage bet in sports betting is an activity where you simultaneously place bets on all possible outcomes of an event at odds that guarantee profit, whatever the result of the event will be. These bets are also known as surebets, miraclebets, surewins or just arbs.

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    I have no clue about sport betting,but what is wrong with this system ? Every player try to win and make some profit,so what is wrong with this bet system ?

    On the other side the affiliate lose money when the player win,and only earn some bucks when the player lose...

    Tell me more..

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    Hi Ann1911

    I am looking into this and will get back to you with an update asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hocrux View Post
    Now it all makes sense. I can see I am not the only one who Earn affiliates are trying to cheat. The name of the affiliate program sucks just like the fact they try to earn by stealing the affiliate commission. They come out with the same old story for arbitrage betting, however with no evidence for it. I have been working for years with the top brands on the market and have never been accused in anything like this. Bottom line there is no reason for my money to be held and I want to get paid.

    Hi hocrux

    Claiming we are stealing commission without proof from your side is not fair, so kindly get in touch with me on below details with more details, so I can look into your account with us and see what exactly has happened.

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    E-mail: Martin.christiansen@comeon.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportwettenaustausch View Post
    Having no Problems with payments so far, but it is true, that they are going down big time. All my long term players (playing since 4-5 years) are restricted with excuses. Also were talking to some former Managers and they also telling me, since cherry took over, this company is getting every day a bit worse. So i will also stop with them. I will not waste my time with them and risk it to get not paid.
    Hi Sportwettenaustausch

    As Katy mentioned. There have been no changes in management from our side, so please do let Katy or myself know what these former managers are saying about us, so we can confirm whether its true or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    What is sports arbitrage betting?

    Arbitrage bet in sports betting is an activity where you simultaneously place bets on all possible outcomes of an event at odds that guarantee profit, whatever the result of the event will be. These bets are also known as surebets, miraclebets, surewins or just arbs.

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    I have no clue about sport betting,but what is wrong with this system ? Every player try to win and make some profit,so what is wrong with this bet system ?

    On the other side the affiliate lose money when the player win,and only earn some bucks when the player lose...

    Tell me more..
    Arbitrage betting is betting on +EV bets. The house does not have the edge, the player has. When betting at normal sportsbook, the second leg is usually at professional bookie. The player at the recreational book is betting so called slow odds or steam and has usually even more advantage there. It can be even more than 1-2%, but usually arbs are smaller than that. Those percentages add up, so those players indeed are unwanted ones. I used to do this for years, but long time ago, when it was not that much known. It used to be very profitable.

    But definitely it is not a reason to steal from affiliates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    Arbitrage bet in sports betting is an activity where you simultaneously place bets on all possible outcomes of an event at odds that guarantee profit, whatever the result of the event will be. These bets are also known as surebets, miraclebets, surewins or just arbs [...] what is wrong with this system ?
    It is like card counting, where the player has an advantage of 2%+ in the long run, calculated on his wagers made. You have still Black Jack tables in online casinos without automatic shuffle machines, but they are using sometimes 8 decks, which decreases the mathematically advantage tremendous, and they put the cut card into the shoe in a way, that there will be no count.

    Arbitrage bets are also safe as Card Counting, not only in the long run but at every single event, and so on the contrary to Black Jack card counting everyone without skills can make a profit with it.

    As long as the customer of a casino is using different bookmakers for arbitrage betting, no program should have a problem with this, because each of those bookmakers will still make a nice profit due to their own calculations.

    So if a bookmaker argues, that arbitrage bets were used, but this bets were placed at different bookmakers, then they have to pay. Otherwise this is nothing but theft in my opinion.

    On the contrary to real casinos, many online programs face very tight funding constraints. A fistful of lucky players, and they are finished. The true reason, why so many players complaints are rising. Steal or die, this is the question for many programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katy-cherry View Post
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    Thanks Claire for bringing this thread to my attention, unfortunately I didn't receive any alerts.


    Ann1911, I tried to PM you but wasn't able to, please could you send me your Earn username so that I can investigate.


    Hocrux, I would appreciate it if you could do the same, again so I can check your account.


    katy.stafford@comeon.com


    Sportwettenaustausch - I am very sorry that you feel this way, however I can assure you that there have been no management changes since the merge with Cherry, in fact we have exactly the same senior management team as we always have. I have PM'd you


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    Hello Katy, thanks for that. i will email you now. please check once you read it. Thanks

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    Martin i have sent Katy all infos. As a long term affiliate and i need to agree with Ann1911...nobody in the world can do arbitage with your odds. It is simply impossible. I mean i know arbitage...who does not know if he is as long as me in the business...but check your odds....lets say you have a 3,3 on draw. 1xbet,pinnacle,Betfair (whoever) has a 3,4. So deduct 5% tax for german players...this is like 5% from the odd = makes effective odd 3,135 so there is a difference from 0,265 points. If i bet 1k on your side it makes winnings 1000 * 3,135 = 3135 Euro deduct stake +2135. Make the arbitage at pinnacle odd 3,4 means i stake 2400 euro to win 1000 Euro (bet on 1 and 2) So what now...if the game ends draw i win 2135,lost at pinnacle effective winnings -265 Euro... if it ends not draw, well i lose at your site,win at pinnacle it is a +-0 Why should any player do this?? surely if he goes inplay hopes for an goal and sell the bet then, then it is different,but then comeon is not needed. I see also no point in restricting a losing player as long as he is profitable for the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earnAffiliates View Post
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    Claiming we are stealing commission without proof from your side is not fair, so kindly get in touch with me on below details with more details, so I can look into your account with us and see what exactly has happened.

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    I suppose losing comms to so called arbitrage betting is as equally unfair, Though i'm sure you probably sent the aff some detailed statistics and evidence right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    I suppose losing comms to so called arbitrage betting is as equally unfair, Though i'm sure you probably sent the aff some detailed statistics and evidence right?
    Hi wonderpunter

    The affiliate who has made this claim will receive all necessary details if he or she contacts us with the username, so we can look at the account. The same applies to anyone else who claims they have been treated unfairly by us. Hereafter it is up to the affiliate if he or she wants to publish the real reasons why their commission was not paid out.


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    "it is up to the affiliate if he or she wants to publish the real reasons why their commission was not paid out."

    With that statement you admit, that you already knows, that there are other reasons, why the commission was not paid or it is an attempt to suggest, that the webmaster is not telling the truth here. If someone is talking about "real reasons" then he knows that reasons of is bluffing.

    Either way, you should tell the audience the "real reasons", because if this is true, then there is nothing to hide, right? This would be very kind.

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    @Martin i have sent you an email with my username.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    "it is up to the affiliate if he or she wants to publish the real reasons why their commission was not paid out."

    With that statement you admit, that you already knows, that there are other reasons, why the commission was not paid or it is an attempt to suggest, that the webmaster is not telling the truth here. If someone is talking about "real reasons" then he knows that reasons of is bluffing.

    Either way, you should tell the audience the "real reasons", because if this is true, then there is nothing to hide, right? This would be very kind.

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    Hi Leopold

    Yes, I have looked further into this and the affiliate did not receive a clear explanation, however, the affiliate will receive a detailed explanation with all the facts tomorrow.

    Please note that I am not in a position to give out certain information about our partners, ex-partners etc, so as I wrote earlier, ff the affiliate decides to state the real reason tomorrow after my explanation which the affiliate will receive by email then the affiliate is welcome to do that.

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