i agree with that statement but two wrongs dont make a right do they
As i stated Lou was wrong etc but peace moves are underway it seems and rehashing everything, throwing accusations, having insults published simply wont help this.
I just get the feeling that a lot of people rather see this feud continues, i mean its entertaining isnt it?
A quick look through the various forums and you can clearly see who are adding the fuel to the fire and wanting this destructive feud to continue.
I doubt very much if the casino/poker/sportsbook managers think highly of this whole sorry mess and those involved, whoever is right and wrong.
Let peace be given a chance
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Sue them for what? removing someone from a hotel/conference or whatever, be realistic millions of people worldwide daily get removed from places and i have no doubts a lot were unwarranted but to start to talking about suing people is just taking this too far.
Same as the headline of this forum "assaulted" looks like a real over dramatising of what happened,
As Michael himself said
Michael also said
Looks like at last some peace efforts are being made so for people on this and the other forum to talk about suing and going over the top about Stevens removal are just stirring and undermining these efforts now.
Though would be funny to see someone attempt to sue in a British court over this, remember this happened in the UK and not in the USA were one can sue someone over a tea being too hot in macdonalds.
What Lou did was wrong, he was obviously very angry but he was removed as well by his own people and afterwards they sat down with Michael.
Let them sort this now and let Gambling911 doing the tabloid headlines, no need for it here
Who you really are? You have just recently registered. Fabiano himself or one of the girls from his harem or just his henchman? You're obviously a shill for CAP.
Who you really are? You have just recently registered. Fabiano himself or one of his henchman? You're obviously a shill for CAP.
appalling response, so anyone that has a different opinion is immediately branded a shill, i thought better of this forum, no thats unfair, i can only hope that you are not representative of this forum.
But for the record, i am not assocaited in any way with CAP not registered there and never been to one of their conferences, in fact i am British living in Malta and not even an American
I am more than happy for Michael to contact me, confirm my name and speak to any number of sportsbook affiliate managers who will indeed confirm who i am.
But regardless of that, the response above is awful and not worthy of this forum
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Hey worthy, let's not fight here, it's his personal opinion.
And Betpartners, everyone wants peace. But it also needs to be from both sides.
You are saying that some people think it's entertaining- No, it's not! It is only and only disturbing.
I have been in this industry since 6 years, translating for various clients, reading(and obviously translating) industry news into several languages. To me, this industry is like my own home, and any tension in my home makes me tense too!
Others read about this issue because of the same reason. No one in right frame of mind wants to waste his/her time in reading such issues for entertainment.
There are some who think the best thing for our industry is to let this scandal die. I have to disagree.
Since this industry is virtually unregulated, it's up to each of us to police ourselves, our partners, and our peers. If we, as affiliates and players, had not investigated and publicized the cheating at Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet, their top management would still be stealing millions of dollars from unsuspecting players.
There are many similarities between these scandals. Both companies tried to deny the charges made against them and sweep things under the rug. Both companies issued threats. In the case of AP/UB, it was publicity and persistence that finally forced an admission of guilt. If we had allowed things to die down AP and UB would have gotten away with stealing millions from the players.
A group of the most respected members of our industry have recently formed an alliance; Affiliate Forum Alliance. The mandate of this alliance, as stated on their home page is:
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The Affiliate Forum Alliance is dedicated to supporting online gambling affiliates.Our member affiliate forums offer places where affiliates can share their experiences and accomplish together what is often next to impossible when working alone.
We strongly believe that affiliates deserve to participate in forums where they come first. Forums where the opinions of affiliates are respected and where the business interests of forum operators do not trump the freedom of affiliate webmasters to respectfully share their experiences and knowledge with one another.
We believe in following the highest ethical standards and in the importance of transparency. And we are committed to earning the trust of the affiliates that use our forums every day.
As part of our commitment to earning the trust of affiliates all member affiliate forums have agreed to be accountable for their adherence to these standards.
If you ever observe an affiliate forum operating in a fashion that is inconsistent with any of these principles then we kindly request that you report the situation in our forum for prompt investigation.
Since no regulatory body has stepped up, I would suggest that this is the perfect forum to take on the investigation into CAP and CardSpike.
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I'm Sorry Betpartner.
You've sounded like someone from the hardcore of CAP.
I din't try to pick on anyone, just becoming more tense each day by reading what's going on and the recent events at London aggravated me.
Sorry Betpartner.
You've sounded like someone from the hardcore of CAP.
I din't try to pick on anyone, just becoming more tense each day by reading what's going on and the recent events at London aggravated me.
No harm done, i can see that there is deep feelings about this and i suppose my views can be contentious, thats not my intention at all,
There are some who think the best thing for our industry is to let this scandal die. I have to disagree.
Since this industry is virtually unregulated, it's up to each of us to police ourselves, our partners, and our peers. If we, as affiliates and players, had not investigated and publicized the cheating at Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet, their top management would still be stealing millions of dollars from unsuspecting players.
There are many similarities between these scandals. Both companies tried to deny the charges made against them and sweep things under the rug. Both companies issued threats. In the case of AP/UB, it was publicity and persistence that finally forced an admission of guilt. If we had allowed things to die down AP and UB would have gotten away with stealing millions from the players.
A group of the most respected members of our industry have recently formed an alliance; Affiliate Forum Alliance. The mandate of this alliance, as stated on their home page is:
Since no regulatory body has stepped up, I would suggest that this is the perfect forum to take on the investigation into CAP and CardSpike.
Im not sure the comparisons are the same but even if they are my point is that Michael has met with Warren and now they are at least speaking, thats a start and there is more chance that we can get to the bottom of all this via those two speaking as opposed to loads of allegations, abuse, threats and so on being repeated in the forum.
If they fail to reach a concensus and CAP refuse to acknowledge faults of certain participants etc then i suppose all bets are off, but for now if those two are talking then we should give them a clear road.
The investigation it seems has been concluded, teh accusations there for all to see, now its a question of transparancy and a clear and open statement from CAP, i doubt we will get that if we continue using the forums to badger them, more chance that Michael will achieve this through quiet diplomacy.
There are some who think the best thing for our industry is to let this scandal die. I have to disagree.
Since this industry is virtually unregulated, it's up to each of us to police ourselves, our partners, and our peers. If we, as affiliates and players, had not investigated and publicized the cheating at Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet, their top management would still be stealing millions of dollars from unsuspecting players.
Exactly the correct perspective. There seem to be a lot of diversionary tactics going on. First a hissy fit and a "resignation" which meant nothing in reality, then a scuffle at an industry event (both of which Lou was behind).
By all means, allow hissy fits and scuffles to fade from memory, whilst learning from them what is to be learnt about the individuals involved. But they are a distraction, and essentially irrelevant to the matter.
The issue is: the ownership of Cardspike and Absolute Slots and the implications thereof. This is not changed with Fabiano challenging Todd to a fight.
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