Stop the Barton Bill

[lots0]

Hey folks... Just as we see some light at the end of the tunnel (the Justice dept. decision of 12-23), we see their is another REAL threat to all of us... it is called the Barton Bill.

This bill will strength the UIGEA making ALL online Gambling illegal and will even reduce the number of people in the US that are allowed to play poker.

Right now the Poker Players Alliance is supporting the Barton Bill.

If you are a member of the PPA or just an interested individual, please contact the PPA and let them know you don't support the Barton Bill. Contact the Poker Players Alliance.

here is an article by an attorney that lays out in detail what is going on.

http://calvinayre.com/2011/12/30/leg...s-barton-bill/

Another article that gives more info about the Barton Bill and about the people that Don't support it...

http://calvinayre.com/2011/12/22/pok...yers-alliance/


This is more of the same kind of politics that brought us the dirty political back room deal that they call the 'UIGEA'. And the Poker Players Alliance is backing it to the hilt.

Please take some action... this does matter... Make your voice heard.
Contact the PPA, your congressmen and senators let them know we don't want any more dirty political deals in the online gambling business.

Just say NO to the Barton Bill...

[Doolally]

From what I read into it, the Barton Bill is being supported to stop offshore online gambling in America. In essence, to open a path for regulated gambling run by registered US companies.

Poker and casino players will therefore not be allowed to gamble in, for instance, European sites, but will be allowed to freely gamble in regulated US based online facilities. They'll probably allow foreigners to play there too though, just not other states.

Personally, I think this is the way the US is intending to go anyway. Stop money going out of the country and instead open up state by state regulated poker and casino sites. My guess is that each interested online company will in be required to tender for a state to provide gambling services for, say, a number of years. It may be the case that more than one site is allowed to operate in each state that allows it.

The states will then regulate online gambling in their area through the one or two 'accepted tender' companies.

All my own thoughts of course. What does everyone else think?

Regarding the PPA and their backing of the bill, well I think the PPA is being controlled now by the bigger players and no longer have the players wants and the forefront of their campaigns. They'll back the bill and eventually poker will be allowed - they'll get to claim a victory for the common people without having to really fall out with anyone. Of course, maybe state by state gambling is what the general public want?

I'd also be totally in favour of saying "NO to the Barton Bill" but I'm not based in the US.

[universal4]

Thanks lotso....those articles were a good read.....

Rick
Universal4

[boczor1]

what's the current status of this dumb bill ?

always some debbie downers out there that wanna ruin all the fun..

[casdirs]

What a very short lived victory for online gambling. I've been pretty happy lately after reading that the Wire Act only applies to sports betting, but this completely erases that good news. I really hope this new bill doesn't pass, its going to ruin the gambling industry if it does.

[Tinhorn]

Isn't there a gaming lobby or any kind of organized legal effort to fight back against the arbitrary prohibition against gaming? How many states run a lottery or allow paramutal betting at a race track? How can states justify disallowing other types of gaming while permitting and regulating just those few certain types? These logical and ethical disparities need to be challenged and overcome in teh interests of recovering people's rights to live as they choose as long as they don't harm anyone else. The federal gov't needs to be pushed back into the boundaries intended by the Framers of the Constitution.

[boczor1]

Isn't there a gaming lobby or any kind of organized legal effort to fight back against the arbitrary prohibition against gaming?

I agree , tired of this industry being bullied and pushed around by these sneaky lobbyist thugs.

Lets get together, pay off some Republicans, and get our own pro-online gambling Bill together.

[Moonlight Cat]

Lets get together, pay off some Republicans, and get our own pro-online gambling Bill together.

Good Idea

[Moonlight Cat]

Several questions:

Barton Bill allow online casino games or only poker?

Why you think that this Barton Bill so bad? Please explain me.

If US company get US gambling license and running they own gambling websites, why you think that this is bad?

Sorry, may be i don't understand. I try to read this bill, but my English not so good for understand it.
Thank you.

[lots0]

Several questions:

Barton Bill allow online casino games or only poker?

Why you think that this Barton Bill so bad? Please explain me.

If US company get US gambling license and running they own gambling websites, why you think that this is bad?

Sorry, may be i don't understand. I try to read this bill, but my English not so good for understand it.
Thank you.

So far from what I have read about the Barton Bill, The Bill if made into law, as it is currently written, will make gambling online (playing poker/casino gambling) a Federal Class B Felony, right along with armed robbery and selling Cocaine.

This means that if you gamble online in the USA, if the Barton Bill becomes law, you can be sentenced to Life Imprisonment , in a court of law.

Amazing that you can go to jail for the rest of your life for playing Poker, JUST because some politician wants to protect a business that fills his pockets with money and makes him rich...

This type of political corruption NEEDS to be stopped in it's tracks and the politicos that are involved need to to be Tared, Feathered and run out of town on a rail...

[boczor1]

Haven't heard much about the affiliate / webmaster aspect now regarding the UIGEA...since the Wire Act kind of weakened it.

And also if Barton Bill gets legalized, how can this affect webmasters as well...combined with UIGEA ?

From what i've been reading so far it sounds like only people that actually gamble online would be affected....not webmasters that have simple links to online casinos on their site.

[Doolally]

I'd say the biggest threat to Webmasters is if it becomes state by state poker sites, there's not going to be any need for affiliates. State members will have a single source to play in and that might be it. Advertising will be easy for the poker sites.

[Moonlight Cat]

And also if Barton Bill gets legalized, how can this affect webmasters as well...combined with UIGEA ? From what i've been reading so far it sounds like only people that actually gamble online would be affected....not webmasters that have simple links to online casinos on their site.

I don't know US laws, but i think if you have only link to online casinos at you site - this is not are crime in any way. If i right, you have the 1st amendment to USA Constitution (Freedom of Speech). And USA Constitution have more power, than all Federal and State laws.

[Bear]

What happened to the "land of the free"?

[grem]

So the PPA is supporting a bill that would see people instantly becoming criminals for gambling online this is crossing the line a little

[grem]

[lots0]

What happened to the "land of the free"?

Our Politicians sold all our freedom to China, we got some baby food laced with arsenic in trade...

So the PPA is supporting a bill that would see people instantly becoming criminals for gambling online this is crossing the line a little

The PPA has been taken over by and is now run by ex-politicians that seem to have their own agenda and their agenda is not about more people playing poker... it's about who is going to make the money from the few that will be ALLOWED to play online.

[Anthony]

http://www.gpwa.org/forum/ppa-lashes...se-202564.html

I. Nelson Rose agrees with you Lots0 and the PPA criticized him for it.

Hey folks... Just as we see some light at the end of the tunnel (the Justice dept. decision of 12-23), we see their is another REAL threat to all of us... it is called the Barton Bill.

This bill will strength the UIGEA making ALL online Gambling illegal and will even reduce the number of people in the US that are allowed to play poker.

Right now the Poker Players Alliance is supporting the Barton Bill.

If you are a member of the PPA or just an interested individual, please contact the PPA and let them know you don't support the Barton Bill. Contact the Poker Players Alliance.

here is an article by an attorney that lays out in detail what is going on.

http://calvinayre.com/2011/12/30/leg...s-barton-bill/

Another article that gives more info about the Barton Bill and about the people that Don't support it...

http://calvinayre.com/2011/12/22/pok...yers-alliance/


This is more of the same kind of politics that brought us the dirty political back room deal that they call the 'UIGEA'. And the Poker Players Alliance is backing it to the hilt.

Please take some action... this does matter... Make your voice heard.
Contact the PPA, your congressmen and senators let them know we don't want any more dirty political deals in the online gambling business.

Just say NO to the Barton Bill...

[Moonlight Cat]

So far from what I have read about the Barton Bill, The Bill if made into law, as it is currently written, will make gambling online (playing poker/casino gambling) a Federal Class B Felony, right along with armed robbery and selling Cocaine. This means that if you gamble online in the USA, if the Barton Bill becomes law, you can be sentenced to Life Imprisonment , in a court of law.

Life Imprisonment for gamble??? Is Joe Barton normal?

[lots0]

http://www.gpwa.org/forum/ppa-lashes...se-202564.html

I. Nelson Rose agrees with you Lots0 and the PPA criticized him for it.

I resigned my paid membership in the PPA over this.

The PPA has been taken over by the big casino interests... which in my opinion are not supporting the rights of Poker Players.
The PPA is supporting the Big Casinos, that want Federal Regulation, the same Big Casino interests that donate BIG BIG money to the PPA on a regular basis.

So imo the PPA is just a paid front for the BIG Land Based Casino Interests... And the PPA could give a hoot less about the Players.

The PPA suports sending people to prison for LIFE just for playing poker... that is the bottom line.

The PPA supports the Barton Bill and the Barton Bill would send people to jail for LIFE, just for playing online in a casino that does not have a government given monopoly for Online Poker.

This Barton Bill is protectionism and political corruption at it's finest.