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    Default Value Of No Deposit Bonus Players

    I've never promoted no deposit bonuses.
    Is it worth it?
    Do the players ever deposit, and what is their average value?

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    In my experience it is worth it if you can get a decent volume of players in.

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    In my experience it attracts poor value customers who almost never turn into depositors. I'd focus your efforts elsewhere.
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    There are strategies to turn no depositers into players, but it needs some detours.
    At first you have to ask for data ... email and/or maybe better phone number!

    Offer some super special ND offers for subscribers only.

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    I will promote them but only for good brands who I think have the power to convert that user into a depositor later down the line.

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    These casino players are essentially worthless. Even if they deposit it will only be with a 100% bonus or higher and there is no money in that. There might be some minor exceptions like players waiting until pay day.
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    Near-to-zero value

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    Pretty much worthless - Promoting free spins and the like, you end up with lots of registrations and a few low value depositors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfiocch View Post
    Near-to-zero value
    I would even argue a negative value for players searching for ndb. Lets do an analysis with the following assumptions:

    1. On average 1% (1 in 100) will deposit $20 only once with a 100% bonus and lose
    2. Gaming fees are 15%
    3. On average 1% (1 in 100) will win and cashout the max amount of $100.
    4. Size of ndb is $10

    Total profit (loss) on 100 players that are searching for ndb:
    $20.00 Deposit from single depositing player
    (6.00) Gaming fees on depositing player ($40 x 15%)
    (147.00) Gaming fees on 98 players that receive $10 ndb but lost (98 x $10 x 15%)
    (100.00) payout to the single player that won and cashed out
    15.00 gaming fees added back for player that won $100 ($100 x 15%)
    (2) transaction fees on depositing player and payout
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    (220.00) loss before marketing and overhead costs on 100 leads searching for ndb
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    You can play around the assumptions but overall the picture is grim. So its tough to make money and I would argue a negative value.
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    NDP was worth something up to 2012-2013 year, today not.

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    A quick note from the operator's side - we have tried to bring NDB players from different sources, using various bonuses (free spins, chips). The value is zero. Sometimes, sometimes! It may happen that we get some good player in. But he might have signed up one way or another, so... It's not the best way to bring good customers, not even the top 3

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    Thank you all for those conclusive posts.
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    Some hilarious replies in this thread. NDB traffic has made me considerable money over the years with not an insane amount of traffic. It is far from worthless.

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    come on fictionNet, you mean to say its not worth it and everyone should stay far away from volumes of ND traffic.. We need everyone else to do something different
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    Quote Originally Posted by allfreechips View Post
    come on fictionNet, you mean to say its not worth it and everyone should stay far away from volumes of ND traffic.. We need everyone else to do something different
    I know... every greedy bone in my body is telling me to just STFU and let everyone think NDB players are worthless... nothing to see here.... everyone move along...

    But I've been given plenty of help over the years and I should remember to give something back, which is why I posted. NDB traffic has brought me some of my best players over the years - and still does.

    ETA: how many times do I type 'over the years'

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    it depends what keywords your trafic is coming in from. If you rank for some decent keywords such as online casinos, then that is high quality converting traffic and your players will apreciate the no deposit bonus. We offer tons of exclusive no deposit bonus on our site and we do very well. It also depends upon the site that is offereing the no deposit. If the site has high player retention, the players may stick around and deposit. If you waste a potential depositing customer and send them to a site that doesn't convert; that's a waste

    Advertising on Facebook with no deposit bonuses isn't always the best strategy either

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    so if not NDP or Free Spins, what do you focus on?

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    This is an interesting thread that was started. Thanks for your explanation, puts things into perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casinojames View Post
    I've never promoted no deposit bonuses.
    Is it worth it?
    Yes we've promoted them - no it does NOT seem to be worth anything.

    Of course some signups may convert into depositing players so it depends a bit on your target segment - but if you've chased a person searching for "no deposit offers" then they are pretty much signalling that they will not deposit EVER - and someone who won't part with cash is worth exactly NOTHING to the client program ... so it's hard to get rich on it.

    Matched deposit bonuses work much better in extracting value - and back in the good old days some programs would promote free TEAM SHIRTS for new depositing players for Euro championships and World Cup - THOSE promos were stellar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    Matched deposit bonuses work much better in extracting value - and back in the good old days some programs would promote free TEAM SHIRTS for new depositing players for Euro championships and World Cup - THOSE promos were stellar!
    Coral did free retro football shirts a couple of months back, don't think it got that much uptake though.
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