What do you think of the CAP banning frenzy?

[bonustreak]

I was not going to post in this thread anymore but these last few post about shaving and conferences being a waste is totally out of line and couldn't be anymore wrong!

Before this falling out happened all the parties involved have come together and networked at conferences and many have walked away from each of these events with more knowledge and business. J Todd provided us up to the minute news briefs, GPWA held panel sessions etc and then AGD spoke and told us what he had in mind for the future and how he was going to protect us all and finally CAP provided the arena for ALL of this to come together!!!

I have no idea what the future will hold for everyone in this bash but I do know that conferences are important and I know that I myself come away with more knowledge, business contacts, deals and friends from each and everyone I attend. I would not have educated myself and come as far has I have today in this business without conferences. So what if there are parties, when I am working my ass off 16 plus hrs a day I think it is fair to say that I deserve to go out and have a party every few months. During the day is not all play people at these events, if you go to them you know it is exhausting at times but well worth it.

J sorry but I see the fact that Michael can post at CAP as progress, we have so much hate and nasty things going on in this world, what is wrong with forgiving and trying to move on with things and life? Hate just takes up too much time and energy, you only have one life, live it and have fun and make as much out of life that you can.

Cheers to all and to all good night

[mojo]

I have no idea what the future will hold for everyone in this bash but I do know that conferences are important and I know that I myself come away with more knowledge, business contacts, deals and friends from each and everyone I attend. I would not have educated myself and come as far has I have today in this business without conferences. So what if there are parties, when I am working my ass off 16 plus hrs a day I think it is fair to say that I deserve to go out and have a party every few months. During the day is not all play people at these events, if you go to them you know it is exhausting at times but well worth it.

J sorry but I see the fact that Michael can post at CAP as progress, we have so much hate and nasty things going on in this world, what is wrong with forgiving and trying to move on with things and life? Hate just takes up too much time and energy, you only have one life, live it and have fun and make as much out of life that you can.

Christine, I know these conferences have helped you and that is great. What about me? What about Joe? I think it's great that you all have a wonderful time but what about us? We are banned and embarrassed. I would never put you on the spot. I think it's wonderful how far you've come and you know we are routing for you! Joe thinks the sun and stars set on you!

Just let's all help each other here. Can Joe and I really go to a conference when we are totally banned? Let's put ourselves in each others shoes. How would you feel if you were us?

Hate just takes up too much time and energy

That works both ways bonustreak. I see a lot of that. Maybe you can help.

honest opinions are not a BASH

[Fergie]

I went to a CAP party at a conference in Vegas 3 years ago. I was banned from the CAP forum at the time, but I was welcome to attend anyway, (Rewards actually sponsored that particular party), had a very good time at the party and met some great people. It was 100% a positive experience.

[mojo]

So it's ok to go to a CAP conference? But why would I? Who would go where they are not welcome? Banned from CAP = Not Welcome. It's a no brainer, no?

[Jinnia]

I know of one player, affiliate, casino and affiliate manager site that don't
charge for the managers to have a forum, I'm not sure how their
badges/certifications are, I won't mention the site, don't want to be
accused of spamming, but the 'founders' should know who I speak of, so
maybe one of them can elaborate on this, maybe in a new thread??

If that would be acceptable to GPWA!!??

[Enke]

Hey guys,

It's Jeremy, I have run the forums on the poker affiliate side of our business since 2005. Albeit PartyRiches, PAW, PAP, and PAL....(long story). Normally though I stay out of all this drama, and for good reason.

I feel I should give my two cents though. All this fighting is really counterproductive. Regardless of what forum you "support", we are affiliates and in business to make money. Posting in, and reading all these forums (including mine) cost you money because you're essentially not working. Let's just drop this whole thing and get back to running our own businesses.

CAP is a great resource, GPWA is a great resource. As an affiliate you have the liberty to decide where your loyalty is. I make very good money every month from affiliate programs, and to be honest, aside from my own forums, I don't give a **** what goes on in 4 other gaming affiliate forums.

Many people in this thread easily make 5 figures a month. So, why not just move on and go about our business. This whole thing seems elementary to me.

There is really no need to decipher acquisitions or business moves of the GPWA or CAP. It is what it is, and things will play out as they will during 2009.

Let's just get back to making money as gaming affiliates, and let the forum owners battle it out, well........may the best man win.

[Anthony]

I believe each organization brings something unique to the table. To marginalize any one of them, diminishes the affiliate community as a whole.


Just because I am banned from CAP Forum, does not mean I am banned from the affiliate community. I am still an affiliate and want what is best for us all.

[bradz21]

Right on Anthony.

In my opinion as an affiliate, I believe everyone should all be working together for the future of our industry.

Brad

[bonustreak]

As Enke wise words stated this thread is just getting to be really counterproductive.

Christine, I know these conferences have helped you and that is great. What about me? What about Joe? I think it's great that you all have a wonderful time but what about us? We are banned and embarrassed. I would never put you on the spot. I think it's wonderful how far you've come and you know we are routing for you! Joe thinks the sun and stars set on you!

Mo I will speak to the CAP team and see what can be done about the ban, but as I recall that was only just a recent thing and you had plenty of chances before to attend conferences but never have am I correct? Did you attend the recent conference that was just hosted by GPWA in Vegas?
My point is if you really wanted to attend a conference Mo you will be welcome and none of the industry would ever shun or outcast you from any event.

This is all I have to say on this subject, I as Jeremy stated there is much work to be done and this thread is way too time consuming.

[mojo]

Thanks bonustreak. I wanted to go to vegas but had other plans. I've been banned for about a year and a half so never considered going. Before that it was to expensive for me.

This is all I have to say on this subject, I as Jeremy stated there is much work to be done and this thread is way too time consuming.

Me too. Thank you all for letting me say what I've wanted. Lot's of work to do and Thanksgiving is almost here to add to that!

[arkyt]

I was not going to post in this thread anymore but these last few post about shaving and conferences being a waste is totally out of line and couldn't be anymore wrong!

Really? There isn't much done at any of these conferences that couldn't be done for a large fraction of the cost for a much much greater number of affiliates. Further all the money thats spent for space on forums could be much better invested for the betterment of the majority instead of a select few.

Regarding conferences etc; I would love to see statistics that show what number of guest are repeat guest - it was always my experience that for the most part it was the same group of affiliates getting together for another party. Certainly there were/are new comers as well - another stat that would be interesting would be how many new comers return?

I have little doubt that these conferences are benefiting a select number of people at the direct expense of the majority.

I, however, will never know if I am banned or unbanned or partially banned or 37.5% banned with a half-twist and a cherry on top... because I have no interest or reason to ever go back.

After all the ill-will and near hatred expressed toward me from management over there, it would be insulting to even be asked to return... not that I think they would. But who cares?

Thats the sentiment that you would think many would share, but as I figured from the start, it wouldnt be long before some sort of deal was struck and everything was pushed under a rug so that the principles could get back the same old same old.

You know, the more things change the more they stay the same ... its been that way for years and nothing much has changed for the betterment of the industry as a whole and it wont as long as we allow it to persist.

[Integrity]

Thats the sentiment that you would think many would share, but as I figured from the start, it wouldnt be long before some sort of deal was struck and everything was pushed under a rug so that the principles could get back the same old same old.

Yup. Everyone wants to be friends and/or maintain the status quo until it's their character that's attacked and dragged through the mud.

I understand webmasters who see how completely futile all this fighting is. However, if we don't fight, CAP will continue to manipulate situations, bully and intimidate, "borrow" content at every opportunity, and otherwise monopolize the entire industry.

God help you all if they can't be stopped.

[worthy]

I agree on some points but the above is not fair to affilate managers. Shaving is a serious accusation that is not taken lightly. I do not think that programs shave to provide for a conference.

I think arkyt was saying the money could be better spent. JMO

I know, I know...
this is the reason i haven't posted here for a year and didn't plan to ever...just couldn't resist by reading arkyt's post.
This board is just as demagogue as CAP.

[Fergie]

Yup. Everyone wants to be friends and/or maintain the status quo until it's their character that's attacked and dragged through the mud.

I understand webmasters who see how completely futile all this fighting is. However, if we don't fight, CAP will continue to manipulate situations, bully and intimidate, "borrow" content at every opportunity, and otherwise monopolize the entire industry.

That's why I keep on "wasting" my time on this and other threads on this subject.

A monopoly in any industry is bad news for everybody except the few who form the monopoly, and I would oppose any such monopoly in this industry.
If it were the GPWA I would still be pushing for balance.

As it is, the looming monopoly happens to be CAP, a company which has demonstrated a complete disregard for morality, ethics or fair play. A company who bullies and threatens in order to to have its way. A company who has shown absolutely no loyalty to the affiliates it professes to cater to - the very affiliates who have made its success possible.

You may wish everyone would just get along, and wouldn't that be nice! I would love nothing more myself. But this is the real world and a lot of us depend on this industry for a living and it's just plain irresponsible to play dead and allow CAP to have the monopoly over affiliate forums, affiliate conventions, affiliate magazines, affiliate utilities...

The bannings of individuals, as is the subject of this thread, is but one symptom of the malignancy.

[worthy]

That's why I keep on "wasting" my time on this and other threads on this subject.

A monopoly in any industry is bad news for everybody except the few who form the monopoly, and I would oppose any such monopoly in this industry.
If it were the GPWA I would still be pushing for balance.

As it is, the looming monopoly happens to be CAP, a company which has demonstrated a complete disregard for morality, ethics or fair play. A company who bullies and threatens in order to to have its way. A company who has shown absolutely no loyalty to the affiliates it professes to cater to - the very affiliates who have made its success possible.

You may wish everyone would just get along, and wouldn't that be nice! I would love nothing more myself. But this is the real world and a lot of us depend on this industry for a living and it's just plain irresponsible to play dead and allow CAP to have the monopoly over affiliate forums, affiliate conventions, affiliate magazines, affiliate utilities...

The bannings of individuals, as is the subject of this thread, is but one symptom of the malignancy.

Monopoly or not, all the organizations in this industry accepts money from affiliate firms and for it "protect the interests" of the affiliate community.
This a conflict of interests...in any society.

Some monts ago at CAP, someone had the idea to form an affiliate union with paid affiliate membership, but the idea had quickly been dismissed particularly by the staff of CAP.
Wonder why?

[Ricbyrne]

Update Although I have been banned from posting at Cap for years, I was always able to view the board. I just checked cap forum and apparently someone didn’t like the comments I posted in this thread because this is the message I receive when I go to the CAP Site now.

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

I’m sorry! But this is very childlike behavior that one would not expect to see from a Board Administrator. Will I miss Viewing the CAP Forum?

CAP

[CityGuard]

Rick, are you able to log out to view the forum or does the system identify your IP address irrespective of being logged in?

[Ricbyrne]

If I try an navigate their site I get a Login Blocked message! Since I have posted there before they do have a record of my ip! When I go there I’m not automatically logged in, so my ip must be blocked from viewing the site.

This indicates to me that their administration is escalating this issue, rather than trying to resolve it. As usual things are being resolved in Lou’s style!

[Skinski]

Yup. Everyone wants to be friends and/or maintain the status quo until it's their character that's attacked and dragged through the mud.

I understand webmasters who see how completely futile all this fighting is. However, if we don't fight, CAP will continue to manipulate situations, bully and intimidate, "borrow" content at every opportunity, and otherwise monopolize the entire industry.

God help you all if they can't be stopped.

Hell, I'm small potatoes, so have nothing to loose ....but for the life of me I'll NEVER understand folk that let such BS as what happened be overlooked. I stand by my morals and could not even dream of wanting to be a part of any site that could be so underhanded as what all I've read. Never thought it would be a blessing of being a two bit affiliate, but in this case I'm glad of it. I don't have nothing to think about losing, but would like to think that if I did, I'd still say they could go to......

[Integrity]

Some monts ago at CAP, someone had the idea to form an affiliate union with paid affiliate membership, but the idea had quickly been dismissed particularly by the staff of CAP.
Wonder why?

It was about a year ago that I suggested something of this sort. I even bought the domain AffilaiteUnion.org or .com or such... I forget, because it was met with such immediate resistance that I abandoned the idea within a few days.