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    Default What are the lifetime values for Bitcoin FTD's

    Where are the lifetime values to the gaming/casino sites for bitcoin signups

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    1) Value of Poker
    2) Value of Casino
    3) Value of Sports

    We are generating organic traffic for these guys and need to begin negotiating deals
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    Good question (just following). It might be higher for BitCoin casinos as players have less choice.

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    I do not have enough data, but for bitcoin only gambling sites (those who do not convert btc to fiat) the value is huge.

    I would not go for anything else than decent rev share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    I do not have enough data, but for bitcoin only gambling sites (those who do not convert btc to fiat) the value is huge.

    I would not go for anything else than decent rev share.
    Good insight thank you

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    I've found the value of bitcoin only sites to be very poor from the perspective of a poker affiliate. For example, I have hundreds of signups at Nitrogen Sports. Conversion at just under 10% to RMP (piss poor). Of those players, the few that play poker don't even generate a commission because of their wonky poker payout rules.

    As such, they are the absolute last choice on all of our bitcoin related content pages (if they make the cut at all). We would boot them out altogether but we at least make a tiny bit of sports/casino revenue off of the players we send in (nothing major though).

    On the other hand, we have had a couple clients sign up through our bitcoin content related funnels to fiat casino sites that have done well. I suppose it was due to bitcoin's massive price appreciation and these people feeling "rich" and willing to "gamble with their winnings".

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    Do you know that nitro can not be compared to other sites in terms of signups?

    They make account de facto to any visitor. The login then is simply via url (until the customer decides to have 1fa or 2fa auth).

    So there is plenty of signups that would otherwise not be signups.
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    Poker platforms also have a bit of a critical mass issue - without a lot of players there is not a lot of "action" and most players will avoid. Different in casino and sports where bets are against the house instead of other players.

    So poker players come and have to sit and wait for a game to fill up to begin playing. If the table breaks because not enough players they again have to wait. Not exactly the same instant gratification that is available in other betting scenarios.

    When I used to play, I always checked the amount of players on the platform before considering signup. Even the major platforms, I would only play during the high volume times.

    Perhaps that's part of the issue?
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    My btc to fiat sites actually convert better than dedicated btc sites.. my guess is the software and service is superior

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Do you know that nitro can not be compared to other sites in terms of signups?

    They make account de facto to any visitor. The login then is simply via url (until the customer decides to have 1fa or 2fa auth).

    So there is plenty of signups that would otherwise not be signups.
    I think I disagree. Sometimes I have a difficult time following your English.

    Nitrogen does require an account to be created in order to play. It can be anonymous without a name, at least insofar as poker goes (they will assign a name of SatoshiXXXX with numbers). Now, each time a person visits the site, they can of course create a new account. Which is another reason I dislike them... even if you got ahold of a whale, they might have a bad run and create a new account because "the old account was bad luck" and then you would be screwed out of future commissions.

    Another major problem with Nitrogen, as I alluded to before, is the way they require a certain number of flops to be seen before poker commissions are paid. That is pretty difficult for players to do since Nitrogen is painfully slow to update their rake schedule. Currently, the rake is as high as $92 USD PER HAND! As you can imagine, that drains player deposited funds very rapidly, and as such, players are unable to play many hands before going broke... screwing the affiliate out of a commission.

    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    My btc to fiat sites actually convert better than dedicated btc sites.. my guess is the software and service is superior

    Agreed.

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    Depends on the brand, I have a 45% rev and the lifetime value is 100 mbtc which is quite a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Book of Ra pPortal View Post
    Depends on the brand, I have a 45% rev and the lifetime value is 100 mbtc which is quite a lot
    Hey, that sounds like a great deal you've got going there. Good luck with all of that!

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