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    Are you ready send trafffic to shadow* operators?


    The new regulation rules and/or high taxes in UK, Belgum, Denmark, Romania, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Poland e.t.c. changed affiliate world. In some markets work for affiliates in legal framework now is more difficult, in some are impossible.


    As we all know from buisness theory: More taxes and regulations = more probability that buisness go to shadow. Especially this is actual for online buisness, because business in internet is the most closest to the free market model.


    So friends, let's check, is affiliate buisness ready go to shadow now, or UKGC and other regulators should come up with something else (for example: license for affiliate buisness, 90% tax for affiliate income or something like that.).


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    Shadow operatos* - under this term i mean any operators who give high RevenueShare for affiliates and working outside regulations laws. Included, but not limited: unlisensed operators, non-original game providers, bitcoin casino/sportsbooks e.t.c.

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    "license for affiliate buisness, 90% tax for affiliate income or something like that"

    If plans like that will be implemented, then most programs will die, because a major part of affiliates will search for other things to do their living, because they are no idiots, and then the programs are dead as a doornail.

    Already today many programs are broke in reality, and many other have forgotten, that they are worth nothing without affiliates and that there are only 10, maximum 20 Google positions that will be seen by people. One more reason why treating affiliates so badly is insane.

    With such restrictions and the loss of a huge amount of affiliates in general, from the 3,000+ online casinos maybe 100 or 200 will survive if we talk about the non shadow market.

    But the illegal lists with stolen or unlawful shared privacy data of affiliates, that are going around everywhere in this industry, the price of that lists will increase enormously.

    You was also a victim of illegally shared privacy date in the past, not once but at least twice, Moonlight Cat, and fortunately, you are one of the few, who are calling out such incidents.

    Leopold

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    If players are really better off there, it could be an option. But not to brands like 1xBet. For example, a Belgian player better plays at a decent Malta-licensed casino accepting Belgian players than at some of the licensed brands. Gambling commissions are too much into Peter Pan-images and that sort of things instead of how casinos are behaving.

    But I think you should always have in mind if it's having consequences for players. In some countries, they can get fined (Romania, fines are quite heavy) or even locked up (South Africa I think). I also think information shouldn't be misleading. I would not send players to websites that can result in a heavy fine or even be in jail. Leave alone that I wouldn't do that with false or misleading information.

    There's more to consider than just "I want Peter Pan-images on my website" or "I don't like the gaming tax".

    I think sooner or later licensed brands are no longer allowed to advertize on websites where illegal casinos are promoted, hence not just operators have to make the choice if they want to be on regulated markets or black markets, but also affiliates will have to do that. Now everything is a bit mixed. That will be different in the future. Now already we see appearing brands that are focusing just on black markets or entering illegally on regulated markets.

    That said, in some more saturated, regulated markets you see that bigger brands are considering affiliates as just a pain in the ass. As soon as they're able to spend their budget in Adwords-campaigns, sponsoring football teams, paid advertorials in newspapers, etc their interest in affiliates is decreasing. In Belgium, for example, some of the bigger brands are not even having a program. And some others who have, really do not give a ****.

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    Well we have to follow new regulations and nothink to do with that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    In some countries, they can get fined (Romania, fines are quite heavy) or even locked up (South Africa I think).
    No they won't lock you up for playing at online casinos in South Africa. There is a possibility that your winnings may be confiscated if you are found out, but this does not happen often.

    Our current government is too busy stealing public funds to worry about the rule of law.



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    In spain the isp's block the non licensed operators usually with a redirect page to goverment approved sites (I wonder if they make a % of commission?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    In Belgium, for example, some of the bigger brands are not even having a program. And some others who have, really do not give a ****.
    The same thing in France. They sank the little webmasters.
    They do their TV promotions.

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    Soon only shadow operators will have affiliate programs, so it is a no brainer.

    As the bookies will have to overcome domain blocks with domain hopping, affiliates will have to do the same.

    In later stages if this circus will be still alive affiliates&bookies might all go to deepweb.
    We are all bloodsucking ticks, hungry, devious
    each one latched on to the ass of the previous
    when the last and the first latch on it can be shown
    ass-blood sucked by the first from the last is his own

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    Quote Originally Posted by celena View Post
    The same thing in France. They sank the little webmasters.
    They do their TV promotions.
    I think it will be the future anywhere where they have plenty of options to advertize their product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderpunter View Post
    In spain the isp's block the non licensed operators usually with a redirect page to goverment approved sites (I wonder if they make a % of commission?)
    This is freedom....

    are this the legal FR Casinos here https://www.casinoonlinefrancais.fr/...ees-arjel.html ?

    how is the fr market ? BTC + Proxy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progger View Post
    This is freedom....

    are this the legal FR Casinos here https://www.casinoonlinefrancais.fr/...ees-arjel.html ?

    how is the fr market ? BTC + Proxy ?
    Casinos in France are prohibited.
    He put on the left what is legal, Poker, Paris Sportifs
    On the right column it is illegal.

    You can play as you want and deposits and withdrawals are like everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celena View Post
    Casinos in France are prohibited.
    He put on the left what is legal, Poker, Paris Sportifs
    On the right column it is illegal.

    You can play as you want and deposits and withdrawals are like everywhere.
    Yes, this is very much the norm these days throughout the world.

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