21dukes casino = Big Daddy Casino - WARNING!!

[thepokerkeep]

It appears that the owner of Big daddy's Casino (ROGUE) is also the owner of 21dukes Casino.

For those who may not be familiar with the BD saga, Big Daddys closed last year leaving many players and affiliates unpaid. I was one of them and am still waiting for my commissions. Links to relevant info and posts at end of this article...

21dukes Casino should be on everyone's avoid list and players should be warned to stay away as well!

The connections between the two casinos are obvious. They are hosted on the same servers, the apparent owner (Craig Evans) is using 21dukes as his Skype nick name, the graphics are eerily similar, etc.

Craig Evans was looking for beta testers for 21dukes back in November 2009 on his facebook page...
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...0&id=633852116

Keith Williamson, who is GPWA Etoro Aff Manager ironman2000 is also the 21dukes affiliate manager. Keith was also the Affiliate Manager for BigDaddys Casino before Craig pulled the plug. Make of that what you will...

Keith Williamson My final words and wishes to all my colleauges & friends from around the globe.

A VERRY HAPPY & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TO ALL FRIENDS AND FOE

I hope to see you all join me at 21Dukes Casino affiliate program were you will have the knowledge of knowing that I am the Affiliate Account Manager and I will treat everyone that jo...ins me on a level playing surface. PM for a chat in the coming days or lets meet at the coming LAC conference in London 2010 were we can workout together the best plan for you & your players alike.


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21dukes fan page on Facebook...
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=213288656170&id=633852116 #!/group.php?gid=221895516884&v=wall
Unfortunately, you will note many GPWA members are fans of this casino.

Former discussions about Big Daddys Casino...
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/my-story-...om-180539.html
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/big-daddy...tml#post537786

Complaint about 21dukes casino (TopGame) payment issue... plus an obvious shill posting as a player, fun read!...
http://www.noluckneeded.com/50-free-...re-t10020.html


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Administrative Contact:
contactprivacy.com,
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
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+1.4165385457
Technical Contact:
contactprivacy.com,
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457

Registration Service Provider:
Hover,
416.538.5498
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Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
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- Denmark - Netgroup A/s


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Registered And Active Website

[Betpartners]

Its unusual for an affiliate manager to be a manager at two seperate companies at the same time, in fact never heard of it to be honest.

Terry did you ask Keith if he was the affiliate manager at both,

It could easily be a case of master affiliate at one and manager at the other, that i have heard of before, but not a manager at two companies, thats a new one for me.

Just curious

[thepokerkeep]

I hope to see you all join me at 21Dukes Casino affiliate program were you will have the knowledge of knowing that I am the Affiliate Account Manager

The above quote tells the story.

[Betpartners]

Sorry never saw that quote when i first read it, better get myself some glasses.

I am still slightly confused however, i know that Keith is affiliate manager now of etoro or according to his profile he is, but dont think he was back in London 2010, he was not employed on their stand back then anyway.

Suppose i am asking is he now affiliate manager of both, was he the affiliate manager of both back in January, not that it is really important, i just found it very strange that anyone can be an affiliate manager of two seperate companies, i mean how would that work.

No doubt Keith will see this thread and comment anyway and clear that up, could be a popcorn one this.

[thepokerkeep]

Sorry never saw that quote when i first read it, better get myself some glasses.

I am still slightly confused however, i know that Keith is affiliate manager now of etoro or according to his profile he is, but dont think he was back in London 2010, he was not employed on their stand back then anyway.

Suppose i am asking is he now affiliate manager of both, was he the affiliate manager of both back in January, not that it is really important, i just found it very strange that anyone can be an affiliate manager of two seperate companies, i mean how would that work.

No doubt Keith will see this thread and comment anyway and clear that up, could be a popcorn one this.

According to the time line - he is and was an affiliate manager for both programs simultaneously.

I agree about the popcorn, I almost hated to begin another thread that is sure to go south in a hurry but this is too important to ignore. Players and affiliates stand to lose out again and need to be warned. 21dukes is pushing hard right now to sign up new affs so the sooner the truth comes out, the better.

[ironman2000]

Let me just start off by saying that I have now for many years been involved in this vibrant industry of been an affiliate account manager and it was only by chance !!!!!!!

I am sure when I say that to find a position with a company in the Gambling enviroment is not an easy task as so many of us jump from one position to the next. I have made many friends over the years and some enimies because of my honesty & trust and dedicated help I give to so many people in the background.

It is true their was a crossover that I was the affiliate account manager for 2 seperate companies,but both parties knew about this and was happy with the situation as their was no conflict of interests with both diferent platforms.

Today I am only representing eToro Forex as their affiliate account manger.

It is true also that the owners of Big Daddys is the same owner of 21Dukes and they needed to re-invent themselves because of a company which was based in Canada sole them a false platform which many other companies fell into the same trap and lossed out big time!!!!!

21Dukes was established with a new platform from Top Game while sensative legal issues were going on in the background solving all the affiliate/player payments etc. Which I believe all affiliate/player commissions were paid.

I hope this clears up some of the questions and I don't want to open up past issues but I will be available to answer any questions to put this case to rest and move on.

Keith

[thepokerkeep]

Today I am only representing eToro Forex as their affiliate account manger.

It is true also that the owners of Big Daddys is the same owner of 21Dukes and they needed to re-invent themselves because of a company which was based in Canada sole them a false platform which many other companies fell into the same trap and lossed out big time!!!!!

21Dukes was established with a new platform from Top Game while sensative legal issues were going on in the background solving all the affiliate/player payments etc. Which I believe all affiliate/player commissions were paid.

I hope this clears up some of the questions and I don't want to open up past issues but I will be available to answer any questions to put this case to rest and move on.

Keith

Hi Keith,

Thanks for being honest and up front about Craig being the owner of both casinos and I'll take you at your word that you are no longer representing 21dukes, but you may want to explain why you still update the 21dukes fan page on a regular basis. Your recent posts there certainly look like they're coming from someone who is still involved with the company.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...5516884&v=wall

I do find it disturbing that you would be so quick to jump into bed with Craig on a new project while there were/are so many unresolved issues with his first casino. As far as BD players and affiliates being paid out... not true my friend. Not even close. This is a small and tight community, it pays to think twice before making decisions that will likely come back to haunt you. I think your decision to work with Craig after the BD fiasco was a mistake you're going to regret.

Oh - and we haven't even mentioned Pimp Your Poker yet.... how many of their members paid for several months or a year and lost their money?

[Redbush54]

To my knowledge GamTrak never received a dime. I guess its time to start pulling programs that have not been in the industry for years. And even some of those you can no longer trust.

[Chips]

I also am still due commissions from BigDaddy Casino. About a year ago I was emailed a breakdown on my earnings and had to sign and return the "invoice" that is all the further it went. I know for a fact that Ray (pomp) got the same style of letter/invoice and has yet to see a cent of his earnings.

IGS or not, the earned commissions are still due to the affiliates. Players that got stiffed deserve to be paid out as well.

[thepokerkeep]

I too did the invoice thing. Sent the docs they requested and followed up a couple times but never did get paid.

Craig promised affiliates would get paid regardless of the outcome of his lawsuit with IGS.... still waiting for that to happen.... glad I didn't hold my breath....

[GFPC]

I also did the invoice and still have copies somewhere. I remember after so much time i sent them an email and they indicated nothing would be done.

I also recall Craig (craige on here as username) saying he would pay affiliates out of pocket and that all affiliates would get their money. He LIED!, HE FAILED,HE IS A THEIF and is not to be trusted. I am going to try and locate all his emails from way back and see what else I come up with.

I know for sure no affiliates got paid, and maybe a ton of players did not get paid either. ALSO what about this supposed Merger he was suppose to transfer players accounts over from Big Daddy's Poker to another platform?

He had allot of people fooled I tell you, and I warned everyone way back then that he was a fraud and as it turned out he was and IS.

My question to Keith (Craigs right hand man) - I know you have a family type relationship to Craig of some sort based on talks we had a very log time ago on MSN. First let me ask you.

1. When did you stop working for 21Dukes and Craig? The date?
2. Are you saying you had no clue Affiliates and Players were still not paid?
3. Did you receive money from 21DUKES?
4. When was your last day working for 21DUkes?
5. Are you contact with Craig now? Can you communicate with him?



The reason i ask these questions is because you actively and aggressively seeked affiliates to work for 21DUKES and you told no one of the connection between Craig and the previous Big Daddys. This leads me to believe this information was hidden secretly.

While all of us affiliates got robbed and scammed by Bigdaddys you continued to support him and work for him in sending new victims to his new casino and told no one, and made money I assume working with him.

This i have a hard time accepting. Certainly no transparency in this case. I think you should of told people the connections since you MARKETTED to GPWA members and tried to get GPWA members to promote a casino owned by a guy who used to own Big Daddys.

My personal opinion is that you hide this information for your own gain. (Sorry i feel that way - but its the truth on how i feel - no offense)

I would expect at the very least you contact your family friend (Craig) and ask him to come here and explain himself and how he intends to take care of all those afilliates and players he promised to pay...

[GamTrak]

Wow Keith, this is very sad and disturbing. Being that I've taking the last year off from igaming I've not been in the loop and missed all this, but if what I'm reading here is true then I'm dissappointed in your judgement. I hope that you can provide some answers to the questions presented to you and good luck.

On a lighter note; unless you have some kind of explaination that makes sense it looks like our planned toga party at a future conference is now off.

[pompeyrayuk]

As far as I was aware that came from the pricks in Canada. Was certainly where I had to send mine.

I also am still due commissions from BigDaddy Casino. About a year ago I was emailed a breakdown on my earnings and had to sign and return the "invoice" that is all the further it went. I know for a fact that Ray (pomp) got the same style of letter/invoice and has yet to see a cent of his earnings.

IGS or not, the earned commissions are still due to the affiliates. Players that got stiffed deserve to be paid out as well.

[GFPC]

Just wanted to make a quick comment. I do not want people to think I have a personal vendetta with Keith. I don't. I am only concerned that he possibly made an unwise decision to direct affiliates to a NEW CASINO that had severe payment issues to players and casinos. (from a past operation)

It does not matter that Craig was involved in a legal battle and IGS or future bet ripped him off. The point is Big Daddys was responsible to pay affiliates and players and that they did not do!!! IN knowing this 21 DUKES was created in a different name to hide the truth behind Big Daddys.

Big Daddys could of stepped up - paid players and affiliates and kept the same name and worked hard at improving their image. BUT NO!!!

Instead they changed the name - Why? To hide the past history of which Keith you were part of. I think affiliates deserved to know this before working with you and 21DUKES.

Especially the members of GPWA.

One last question: If you were an Affiliate Manager of 21DUKES and ETORO at the same time why was this not in your PROFILE HERE?

No one here knew at all until recently. This is what is alarming mate. It had to be dug up and found out.

I think it would of been better for all GPWA members to know of your involvement with 21Dukes and the past history with Big Daddys.

Or at least informing Michael of this and the management here.

[pompeyrayuk]

Im sure people are expecting something from me so here goes.

1. Yes Craig did say he would pay players and affiliates out of his pocket. This was before the form came from Canada and before the true figures came out of what went in and out.Craig's figures being completely different to Canada's. You have to remember that Craig was locked out of the BigDaddy Casino and Poker Room back office weeks before the proverbial landed. And those players that did get paid were paid slowly I agree but it did come out of Craigs pocket. Craig lost far more than what wasn't paid out trust me. Almost cost him his house and family.

2. Keith was pushing PYP as a favor for me at a cost of zero pre-arranged.

3.

Suppose i am asking is he now affiliate manager of both, was he the affiliate manager of both back in January, not that it is really important, i just found it very strange that anyone can be an affiliate manager of two seperate companies, i mean how would that work.

Why would it matter as both parties were aware and they are two completely different Niches so no conflict there.

Keith is a great guy who I trust 110% and as for Craig he was naive without a doubt, not public enough for sure but he didn't and wouldn't knowingly scam,con,rip off,av over or THIEVE from anyone.

[GFPC]

Thanks for making comment mate!

The only thing i would have to add to this is - if he lost out so badly, how is it possible he was able to open a NEW CASINO? Its a huge cost!!

and

Does this mean he is exempt now from paying whats owed to affiliates?

1. Yes Craig did say he would pay players and affiliates out of his pocket. This was before the form came from Canada and before the true figures came out of what went in and out.Craig's figures being completely different to Canada's. You have to remember that Craig was locked out of the BigDaddy Casino and Poker Room back office weeks before the proverbial landed. And those players that did get paid were paid slowly I agree but it did come out of Craigs pocket. Craig lost far more than what wasn't paid out trust me. Almost cost him his house and family.

[Betpartners]

Why would it matter as both parties were aware and they are two completely different Niches so no conflict there.

Fair enough Ray, to be honest though i didn't think Keith was manager at both, thats why i asked Terry if he asked Keith, i also stated that Keith would clear it up and he did, if both parties were happy and aware then no conflict.

[pompeyrayuk]

The only thing i would have to add to this is - if he lost out so badly, how is it possible he was able to open a NEW CASINO? Its a huge cost!!

He never invested the funds.

and

Does this mean he is exempt now from paying whats owed to affiliates?

Not once did I say that I am in fact owed over $1000

[GFPC]

Thanks Ray.

No i was just asking your opinion. So I am now aware of a few things based on what your saying that i assume are factual. Thanks

So Craig did not invest any of his money in this casino but owns it.

You are owed over $1000 (ouch).

Let me ask you then mate - do you feel Craig needs to pay you and the other affiliates that were not paid?

He never invested the funds.

and



Not once did I say that I am in fact owed over $1000

[thepokerkeep]

Here's how I see it...

While Craig was still embroiled in a lawsuit over the the BD finances with IGS, and while he was pleading poverty to those his casino owed money to, he was rounding up the capital/partners/whatever to open 21dukes. Sound about right?

And while Keith may have been involved in BD/PYP as a gesture of friendship, he was 100% aware of the payment issues we were all facing. Agreed?

And knowing about the nonpayment issues, Keith still accepted the role of affiliate manager for 21dukes and was comfortable signing up affiliates who would never in a million years have joined the program had they known Craig was behind it. Still with me?

I think Keith made a serious mistake here and just got caught with his fingers in the cookie jar. It takes a lifetime to build up a reputation and just a few seconds to destroy one...