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    As far as I am aware Craig does not own it. There are 2 partners that do.

    As for keith I think he showed his hand in that he trusted craig and the new casino owners who i think he met/spoke too although i may be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    As far as I am aware Craig does not own it. There are 2 partners that do.
    As for keith I think he showed his hand in that he trusted craig and the new casino owners who i think he met/spoke too although i may be wrong
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    It is true also that the owners of Big Daddys is the same owner of 21Dukes and they needed to re-invent themselves
    This can mean either two things.

    1. Craig never owned Big Daddys - and previous investors did.
    2. Craig does own 21Dukes - has investors.

    Conflicting!! Gets better each hour!

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    As far as I am aware...............although i may be wrong
    Can mean one of two things. Its either

    1. As far as I am aware and although i may be wrong or
    2. As far as I am aware and although i may be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Can mean one of two things. Its either

    1. As far as I am aware and although i may be wrong or
    2. As far as I am aware and although i may be wrong
    Which essentially means this

    As far as I am aware and although I may be wrong = I DO NOT KNOW!

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    Wow you found out. I spent time here posting just so you could let everyone know im clueless and lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Wow you found out.
    I did? Oh cool!! (pat myself on the back)

    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    I spent time here posting just so you could let everyone know im clueless and lying.
    Not at all my friend, I am as clueless as you are - were equals

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    Hey Keith still wondering about these questions I asked some days ago. I dint see any sort of reply from you.

    1. When did you stop working for 21Dukes and Craig? The date?
    2. Are you saying you had no clue Affiliates and Players were still not paid?
    3. Did you receive money from 21DUKES?
    4. When was your last day working for 21DUkes?
    5. Are you contact with Craig now? Can you communicate with him?

    If you have a moment please!


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    Just keeping this alive, because I feel it's important for people to be transparent and because GFPC's questions are both reasonable and need to be answered.

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    October 14th I asked and again on 17th and now again 19th
    Quote Originally Posted by GFPC View Post
    Hey Keith still wondering about these questions I asked some days ago. I dint see any sort of reply from you.

    1. When did you stop working for 21Dukes and Craig? The date?
    2. Are you saying you had no clue Affiliates and Players were still not paid?
    3. Did you receive money from 21DUKES?
    4. When was your last day working for 21DUkes?
    5. Are you contact with Craig now? Can you communicate with him?

    If you have a moment please!
    Bump on this again for the third time!!! < -------- you said you would be available to answer questions

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    I hope this clears up some of the questions and I don't want to open up past issues but I will be available to answer any questions to put this case to rest and move on.
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    I would think its pretty obvious that Keith isn't going to comment. He's been here several times and is just ignoring the thread.

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    Hi Keith,

    I am still wondering on those questions mate. Maybe your not getting notifications from GPWA on this thread. I know you have been online and i also know you invited questions and stated you would answer them to put this issue to rest. Still its been about 6 days.

    I will give it till tomorrow - a full week mate. I want to make sure you know the questions are here still and would like to get some answers please.

    Forgive me but tomorrow I will have no choice but to post these questions in the Etoro thread. I am sure you will for sure see those mate. I am
    still unclear if your with both companies at this point and affiliates deserve some basic answers my friend.

    Regards

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    Keith:

    Just a quick bump! 10 days and no reply since the 14th. Today is the 24th. I will be back in a couple days to bump it up again. Anytime your ready matey.


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    You may think I have been ignoring this thread and I can tell you that I have had other more important reasons on my mind for the past few weeks and its personal....................my true friends know why I have been away etc...............

    1. When did you stop working for 21Dukes and Craig? The date?

    December 2009

    2. Are you saying you had no clue Affiliates and Players were still not paid?

    I am saying that I was informed that all players and affiliates were paid in full.

    3. Did you receive money from 21DUKES?

    I recieved a consulting fee up to December 2009

    4. When was your last day working for 21DUkes?

    see above.

    5. Are you contact with Craig now? Can you communicate with him?

    Yes.

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    Thank you Keith much appreciated.

    I am glad YOU at least got paid consulting fees while many affiliates and players got shafted. Some Affiliates of which are even GPWA members.

    Note: You may want to remove your name from the 21DUKES facebook page since your name is on there and your last post promoting them was OCT 4th 2010 - 9 months of you posting promotions on their facebook page may lead people to think you still work for them.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=221895516884&v=wall

    Give Craig (your good friend) our regards (the ones he ripped off).

    Much success to you sir!

    Steve

    P.S. Its far from over! (edit for Pomps sake) We will continue to educate all affiliates and players about the historical scam operation of BD and the connections to the now 21DUKES.


    Quote Originally Posted by ironman2000 View Post
    You may think I have been ignoring this thread and I can tell you that I have had other more important reasons on my mind for the past few weeks and its personal....................my true friends know why I have been away etc...............

    1. When did you stop working for 21Dukes and Craig? The date?

    December 2009

    2. Are you saying you had no clue Affiliates and Players were still not paid?

    I am saying that I was informed that all players and affiliates were paid in full.

    3. Did you receive money from 21DUKES?

    I recieved a consulting fee up to December 2009

    4. When was your last day working for 21DUkes?

    see above.

    5. Are you contact with Craig now? Can you communicate with him?

    Yes.

    Keith


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    Easy does it eh

    I am glad YOU at least got paid consulting fees while many affiliates and players got shafted. Some Affiliates of which are even GPWA members.
    110% Keith never decided who/how/why people got paid and it was BD not 21Dukes that shafted

    Note: You may want to remove your name from the 21DUKES facebook page since your name is on there and your last post promoting them was OCT 4th 2010 - 9 months of you posting promotions on their facebook page may lead people to think you still work for them.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=221895516884&v=wall
    Surely it is upto Keith whever he promotes or not even if he is not employed by them.

    Give Craig (your good friend) our regards (the ones he ripped off).
    Are we now picking and choosing the affiliate managers friends??


    P.S. Its far from over!
    Some , me included, will look on this last remark as a threat and a threat that is aimed at Keith. Uncalled for in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Easy does it eh
    - Sounds Canadian I like it Ray (we here in Canada like to use the word "eh") but ok will try and be easy mate.

    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    110% Keith never decided who/how/why people got paid and it was BD not 21Dukes that shafted
    -Agreed - it is not Keith's fault affiliates did not got paid. Big Daddy's did the shafting correct (glad you recognize that now) but the owner of BD is now the owner of 21 DUKES. Therefore 21Dukes will be classified as a scam operation based on historical fact. They are BD with a new name. They did not pay all affiliates and players.

    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Surely it is upto Keith whever he promotes or not even if he is not employed by them.
    Sure - he can choose to promote 21DUKES as he has up to Oct 4th 2010 on facebook even if he does not work for them (according to him since DEC 09 -but its important for transparency issues that people know this. MAny affiliates here at GPWA got ROBBED and scammed by BD. Keith was affiliate manager then. BD is now called 21DUKES and Keith was Affiliate Manager for them as well. I am simply speaking factually. Thanks for pointing out that anyone can work for anyone.. I AGREE.

    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Are we now picking and choosing the affiliate managers friends??
    Not at all Keith can choose to be freinds with a man who ripped off GPWA members and help him promote his Casino to us all - sure no problem. I just wanted him to relay the message that were still here and will not forget. Even you got ripped off matey don't forget. I know Craig is your mate too.


    Quote Originally Posted by pompeyrayuk View Post
    Some , me included, will look on this last remark as a threat and a threat that is aimed at Keith. Uncalled for in my opinion.
    Understandable my friend- not meant or aimed at Keith. It was more of a statement that a NUMBER OF US are not letting this go. We will continue to communicate affiliates about the historic BD/21DUKES scam operation since the owner is the same. but for your benefit I will revise the wording so its clear - thanks!

    Cheers


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    1. When did you stop working for 21Dukes and Craig? The date?

    December 2009

    2. Are you saying you had no clue Affiliates and Players were still not paid?

    I am saying that I was informed that all players and affiliates were paid in full.

    3. Did you receive money from 21DUKES?

    I recieved a consulting fee up to December 2009

    4. When was your last day working for 21DUkes?

    see above.

    5. Are you contact with Craig now? Can you communicate with him?

    Yes.

    Keith
    Wait... What?

    Did affiliates get paid yet?

    Abrupt answers with no assistance at ALL.

    Can you help? Doesn't seem right. No offense.
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    Hey Mojo,

    To answer your questions on players and affiliates. I can say with certainty affiliates did not get paid. Craig said to many of us that no matter what at the end of it all we would get paid even if it came out of his own pocket. That is what he said. Yet there many webmasters here who can prove he did not. He is a liar! (Yet he can open another casino online and promote to other GPWA members - isn't that interesting?)

    ThePokerKeep
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    All these people above are owed commissions just in this thread alone! All of us are well known members of GPWA and respectable affiliates. This all started last year with Big Daddys Casino. (who knows how many other webmasters got shafted)

    A couple weeks ago Terry noticed 21DUKES we did research and found its the same owner Craig who now owns 21Dukes.

    We also noticed they were using the GAU white list label on their affiliate program BD affiliates (no not Big Daddys) - strange huh??

    HOW COULD 21DUKES BE GAU WHITELISTED? Did no one research into this group? - Note: Terry quickly fixed this when it was noticed.

    Well since Keith has indicated he has no knowledge of players or affiiliates not being paid by his friend Craig - there is not much we can do.

    I am just sort of upset this was not brought up here earlier on the GPWA since many well respected members got burned by Big Daddys and Craig of which Keith was the affiliate manager.

    It certainly is not Keith's fault but I wish I had known he worked for Craig on 21dukes as we would of been able to protect affiliates earlier.

    At least CasinoBonusGuy got hold of this thread and pulled them off her sites and were working on others behind the scenes.

    Until Craig comes clean and pays whats owed what else can we do? He hurt allot of good people here financially.

    I trusted the guy with my bank details over a year ago and had to call my bank and get things changed since he gave my bank details to a third party who then gave it to another person. ( I will glady share all my email correspondence should it be needed)
    Important: should you decide to work for 21Dukes I suggest not giving your bank details at the very least.

    It was a mess! It caused a real bad situation for all!
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    Montly bump to ensure all affiliates stay away from promoting 21Dukes.com.

    Careful folks!! Stay away and be safe!


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    Just a quick bump to keep all affiliates safe!


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