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    Quote Originally Posted by tufty View Post
    It is a small fish bowl packed full of affiliate programs and AMs who all know each other and it is completely rotten to the core and has been for 15+ years.
    That pretty much sums up the status quo, and the modus operandi.
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    If they now steal even on CPA, it shows that the bowl is drying up.
    We are all bloodsucking ticks, hungry, devious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    If they now steal even on CPA, it shows that the bowl is drying up.
    They were stealing well before that. They made a 'sport' out of stealing from players and affiliates.
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    ... that is why they must steal on CPA, before they close the shop.. err before they flip the biz for billions of freshly printed money
    We are all bloodsucking ticks, hungry, devious
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    I made my very first ever payment from them, I said to my dad if If I can do this lots ill be rich. Hes dead. Im not rich but they still pay me to this day. Non commutative, ill give you that. If I was you I would try relax a lil. Try get in-touch with someone there. Surly somone at here can help you with that, if not try sportbookreview. But do try get in-touch with someone. They are one of the oldest they dont go around fuking people. You just need to get onto someone. Unfortunately I cant help with that but hopefully my post points you in the right direction. IE (An admin from here or sportsbookreview)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    If they now steal even on CPA, it shows that the bowl is drying up.
    Its amazing how its companies like this destroying the industry. Affiliate managers often moan when affiliates ask for upfront fees or media deals or insertion fees etc, Saying its not rite and the affiliates are greedy etc. But in actual fact, this is exactly why. (affiliates which have ranking websites,not just a banner farm)

    In my opinion affiliates are the complete hard back bone of the industry and always will be, Any program im sending good traffic to is paying to be there before the revenue share or CPA.

    Eventually affiliates will be charging straight up for listings, with no rev share or CPA involved (crazy yes) . And i think that will come sooner rather than later. Its the only possible way for an affiliate to protect there self.

    Iv had this done to me by Karolina at BGO and also videoslots some years ago, To this day i am still owed money but i do love it when they constantly hound my sites contact forms and i completely blank them for it and always will...

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    I just talked to a guy from different part of ad industry (he is nr1 in his niche). He told me another company, successful in the past, is a captain without a ship. When talking to bankers - I feel the same.

    Since recently I found much more productive than to write on forum the long posts doing yoga, I will be brief now: it is not just our problem, it is a general problem. I do not think the return to display ads will resolve this. For sure comes digital economy with more direct payments = end of freemium, but for sure this is not everything. It is so easy to cheat with banners, positions, stats of visitors etc. It is not a stable point where no party is cheating and both are happy with the money. The most stable point is always rev share and it was fcked up. Remember all that was needed was a tracking. One ****** cookie or something and they are not able to do it nowadays. Even if they wanted, no one has skilled IT workers who understand the 50thousand rows of code which is nowadays needed to set up the cookie correctly (literally what told me a guy who understand it). There is no technical progress, but degress. There is no progress in trust, in human understanding. Just dark age with a lot of white noise.

    Now rather yoga.
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    A few weeks ago I had a call from the senior manager, name removed. He offered to pay me for 55 of these players, claiming that the others didn't meet the wagering requirement. I disagreed with a counter that his claim is untrue and I would like to see evidence. He's been avoiding me ever since.

    Via my account I can see that I generated 322 'leads' in total, so I ask him what the difference is between a 'lead' and a 'money player'. He tells me they're pretty much the same, but a lead is someone who has met the deposit requirement and a money player is one who has met the wagering requirement.

    Having checked on 888sport I can see that their minimum deposit is 10, and the deal we agreed upon was '$10 for $100 up to 30 players' then '$13 for $130' thereafter (making it impossible for a player to be a lead but not a money player). He then goes on to say that their minimum wagering requirement is $40 and this is in their T&Cs applicable to all affiliates. Can someone confirm this for me? I can't seem to find it anywhere in their terms and have also asked a few managers of other networks for reference. They tell me it's BS.

    In all my time working with any brands, when it is stated that a CPA deal is X for Y, X accounts for the deposit & wager requirement.

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    He also tried to say that the traffic must be coming from a separate source as it was still coming through and I was no longer promoting them anywhere. I assume he thought that as my account was suspended I couldn't login, as when I logged in I could see there were no clicks whatsoever. There was 1 late conversion from a sign up back in the July campaign. The topic quickly changed and he was 'looking at the wrong data'.

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    Maybe casino CPA is different...

    However in my 20 years as a casino affiliate, the few times I've agreed to run a CPA, there were ONLY ever these two (2) criteria:
    1. Minimum deposit required (what was or wasn't wagered made no difference, nor did a withdrawal);
    2. Can not be Incentivized traffic (can not comp/pay a player to signup and deposit).

    A CPA means: Click Per Action

    Unless you had a specific deal with 888 which separated leads from money players; which does not seem to be the case, If those total 322 leads deposited, then 888 owe you CPA on all those 322 depositing players.

    To try to scam you out of payment, is unfortunately how 888 affiliate program, rolls.

    888 affiliate program have proven themselves over the years to be lying, cheating, CROOKS.
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    Unfortunately this is the truth. 888 is such a big name and sometimes hard to believe that they work so bad. Our experience with 888 is also far from good. Lots of lies and very unprofessional behavior. Maybe it depends also on the account manager.

    But CPA deals are always problematic and you keep hearing about problems with all possible affiliate programs.
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    Big brands that havent been too focused on affiliate driven traffic tend to sometimes have a more "relaxed" approach to affiliates. With that said though, I myself haven't had any issues in this regard with 888. Which AM are you speaking with?

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    Can you please give the latest update, did 888 pay the money already?

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    This post was made by me on my previous GPWA account. I can now confirm that I received my payment a good few months ago and am now on good terms with 888. Thanks for those who helped, and no thanks to those who said I was wasting my time for trying - as I clearly wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xedia View Post
    This post was made by me on my previous GPWA account. I can now confirm that I received my payment a good few months ago and am now on good terms with 888. Thanks for those who helped, and no thanks to those who said I was wasting my time for trying - as I clearly wasn't.
    You should never be sarcastic to those who offer legitimate advice, whether you agree with it or not. Glad you solved your issue.

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    It was requested that we close the member account of the original poster and we did so.

    We are glad that the payment in question as per the topic of the thread has been paid and we have marked the thread resolved and it has been marked and the topic should be considered resolved and discussion closed.

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