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    Thumbs down Affiliate Axel burillo owes affiliate program $1,500!

    Following our previous pursuit of affiliate theft. We would like to bring to the gaming communities attention to
    The following affiliate;
    Axel burillo <last name removed>
    Username cpm9006
    Axel was given $1,500 to send traffic and has not sent a click!
    The payment was made four months ago and despite numerous attempts to retrieve the money we have not been successful.
    Therefore as with the previous mentioned affiliate we will now be moving forward with this issue as a legal matter.
    We have all the necessary documentation to successfully penalize this affiliate but hope that it will not come to that.

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    Second issue on non payment is such a short time and also the second time you have said that you are taking legal steps.

    Now if the affiliate has ripped you off i am glad that you are going after them but if you are taking legal steps are you sure its wise to post this up first and foremost.

    Also you may want to look at your practise of giving affiliates money without due dilligence.

    But my main concern is that you post this up as a fait accompli and because of the legal steps youa re taking no one can offer you any help on here and in fact the affiliate himself will find it difficult to respond.

    Suppose my point is until such a time that the court case actually goes against the affiliate why are you posting this.

    It would be different if you was not taking legal steps and the community at large here could then become involved and assist you if you ahve been treated wrong.

    You may want to look at your methods of naming and shaming without offering any evidence in the public domain
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    Thank you very much for your response.
    Aff Europe have decided to name the affiliate in order to warn the gaming community about this individual.
    Very often affiliates who steal are also involved in fraud and content theft.
    The community has every right to know about them as a protective measure.
    It is because of our high regard for the forum and its readers that these posts have been made.
    Any money stolen will always first and foremost be a legal issue however we do value all the comments and responses
    that we have received regarding these rogue affiliates.I can confirm by placing their names on the forum this way we have made great strides
    In having our monies returned.
    I can also confirm that these will be the only affiliates that we will be naming and we hope that the situation never arises again both for us
    and the other affiliate programs.

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    I think the legal action is threat rather than a direct and immediate action, if it has worked and both payment are being sent back then i would say happy days no harm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun O'neill View Post
    BP

    I think the legal action is threat rather than a direct and immediate action, if it has worked and both payment are being sent back then i would say happy days no harm done.

    Shaun
    Indeed Shaun if it works, great

    But any affiliate that name and shames a program uses evidence to back up their claim and then stands or falls by the "evidence" as presented and allow the program to respond

    Any affiliate without proof after naming and shaming is then pulled to pieces by affiliates themselves as you know mate.

    It will set a precedent if programs or even affiliates for the matter use this forum or other forums as a means to name and shame as tool to recover funds when the affiliate named has not had the chance to respond.

    Remember when Casinojack did just that, turned out to be a right mess, i ahve no issue with Programs naminga nd shaming rogue affiliates, but to do it publicly requires proof and more proof than just one sides.

    Affiliates produce screenshots, emails and other documents on here to show when they feel a program has done wrong, programs should do the same.

    With regards to legal action fair enough maybe a threat in this instance but not in teh previous instance were they informed the GAU their services were not required as they were taking legal action.

    Point is this affiliate programs should be able to do exactly what affiliates are allowed to do and i endorse that, but it needs to be done in a manner that is fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by affeurope View Post
    Thank you very much for your response.
    Aff Europe have decided to name the affiliate in order to warn the gaming community about this individual.
    Very often affiliates who steal are also involved in fraud and content theft.
    The community has every right to know about them as a protective measure.
    It is because of our high regard for the forum and its readers that these posts have been made.
    Any money stolen will always first and foremost be a legal issue however we do value all the comments and responses
    that we have received regarding these rogue affiliates.I can confirm by placing their names on the forum this way we have made great strides
    In having our monies returned.
    I can also confirm that these will be the only affiliates that we will be naming and we hope that the situation never arises again both for us
    and the other affiliate programs.

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    No no no

    Please continue to name and shame as long as you are prepared to show the evidence, i fully support you in that regards.

    All i am saying is that anyone can come on here and say so and so did this.

    Wheres the proof, if you do this publicly then it needs to be backed up, thats all i am saying.

    Otherwise these sort of threads will just descend in to anarchy.

    But i support your right to recover funds if they have been taken from you without just cause.
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    I agree facts need to be shown before you can use the term rouge it seems to be used these days at the drop of hat.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    Indeed Shaun if it works, great

    But any affiliate that name and shames a program uses evidence to back up their claim and then stands or falls by the "evidence" as presented and allow the program to respond

    Any affiliate without proof after naming and shaming is then pulled to pieces by affiliates themselves as you know mate.

    It will set a precedent if programs or even affiliates for the matter use this forum or other forums as a means to name and shame as tool to recover funds when the affiliate named has not had the chance to respond.

    Remember when Casinojack did just that, turned out to be a right mess, i ahve no issue with Programs naminga nd shaming rogue affiliates, but to do it publicly requires proof and more proof than just one sides.

    Affiliates produce screenshots, emails and other documents on here to show when they feel a program has done wrong, programs should do the same.

    With regards to legal action fair enough maybe a threat in this instance but not in teh previous instance were they informed the GAU their services were not required as they were taking legal action.

    Point is this affiliate programs should be able to do exactly what affiliates are allowed to do and i endorse that, but it needs to be done in a manner that is fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    Second issue on non payment is such a short time and also the second time you have said that you are taking legal steps.

    Now if the affiliate has ripped you off i am glad that you are going after them but if you are taking legal steps are you sure its wise to post this up first and foremost.

    Also you may want to look at your practise of giving affiliates money without due dilligence.

    But my main concern is that you post this up as a fait accompli and because of the legal steps youa re taking no one can offer you any help on here and in fact the affiliate himself will find it difficult to respond.

    Suppose my point is until such a time that the court case actually goes against the affiliate why are you posting this.

    It would be different if you was not taking legal steps and the community at large here could then become involved and assist you if you ahve been treated wrong.

    You may want to look at your methods of naming and shaming without offering any evidence in the public domain
    100% Absolutely RIGHT!!!

    I just some times i really dont understand some affiliate managers! Before you give your money to someone make sure to know who is he before hand him over a case full of money!

    As BetPartners said previously , you have just lost the case! By naming in public and accusing someone in public really legally brings YOU! into a difficult position. I would suggest to other affiliate managers who are cought up in fraud similar like this ... to avoid posting as such action for sure will not return your money back as also a potential law suit will bring you rather than the guy who ripped you off into a not such pleasant situation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arisoftnet View Post

    As BetPartners said previously , you have just lost the case!
    I never said that

    I said provide proof along with naming and shaming

    I also said i support their right to do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    I never said that

    I said provide proof along with naming and shaming

    I also said i support their right to do that
    No NO NO .. you are right u didnt said that .. my apologies i just wanted to say something different.....

    Anyway the bottom line i agree with you with the fact that if someone at the back end of his/she mind is to have a law suit for someone then for sure it is not for his/she benefit to post in public names !!

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    No probs, no harm done
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    i absolutely don`t understand why affiliateprogramms make upfront payments

    if an affiliateprogramm has a good reputation there is no need to do that

    thats my thought

    but i`m allways willing to learn something more in our bussiness

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokertester-eu View Post
    i absolutely don`t understand why affiliateprogramms make upfront payments

    if an affiliateprogramm has a good reputation there is no need to do that

    thats my thought

    but i`m allways willing to learn something more in our bussiness
    Well lets see it from the other site..... What about the affiliate programs that dont pay their affiliates ????

    On my websites i also take a flat fee for top placement banners one of the main reasons that i do that is to make sure that the specific affiliate program will pay me! So take that as a deposit guarantee..... Unfortunately i have been cheated couple times from affiliate program managers and beleve me the feeling is not nice at all!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arisoftnet View Post
    Well lets see it from the other site..... What about the affiliate programs that dont pay their affiliates ????

    On my websites i also take a flat fee for top placement banners one of the main reasons that i do that is to make sure that the specific affiliate program will pay me! So take that as a deposit guarantee..... Unfortunately i have been cheated couple times from affiliate program managers and beleve me the feeling is not nice at all!!
    i know and understand what you mean but if you work with etablished programms that are in this industry for a few years and have a good reputation than i think the risk to be scammed is not so big

    on the other site 1500 $ is not really a guarantee if you have good traffic cause this is only a payment for something like 6 players if you work on cpa

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    Let's not derail this thread and keep it on track.

    This thread is about a specific affiliate and a specific program, not whether it is right for an affiliate to have a policy of asking for pre-payment deals or whether the program should or should not do them....

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    Pre payment is mostly done due to distrust which i kind of find ironic, it will never go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokertester-eu View Post
    i know and understand what you mean but if you work with etablished programms that are in this industry for a few years and have a good reputation than i think the risk to be scammed is not so big

    on the other site 1500 $ is not really a guarantee if you have good traffic cause this is only a payment for something like 6 players if you work on cpa
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    I apologize but I don't speak English, yet the importance of this forum leaves me no choice but to post my respond.

    Hola, mi nombre es Axel Burillo Purcet, queria aclarar lo siguiente:

    - AFFEUROPE nos contrato una campaña para Permission Email Marketing en tráfico español, a CPC ( Coste por Click), la campaña fue lanzada y los clicks hechos lo que sucede que el cliente no quedo satisfecho y ahora pide la devolución del dinero.
    Todos sabemos como funciona la publicidad y los riesgos alguien tendria que darle una lección de publicidad muy avanzada.

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    Google translation of the above if it helps

    Hello, my name is Axel Purcet Burillo, wanted to clarify:

    AFFEUROPE we contract a permission email marketing campaign in Spanish traffic to CPC (Cost per Click), the campaign was launched and the clicks made what happens to the customer is not satisfied and is now asking for the money back.
    We all know how advertising works and the risk someone would have to give a lesson in advanced advertising.
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    Thanks Betpartners

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