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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbush54 View Post
    I'm curious (unless I missed it somewhere)....if this was a media buy for placement of creatives, links or whatever, did the media buy specifically say that the affiliate would send x number of traffic to the affeurope sites? Because if it was just for placement to gain better exposure I sure as heck wouldn't send them any money back. It's like buying an ad in a newspaper....the newspaper can't guarantee that you'll get more traffic just because you placed the ad.

    Now, if it was a media buy to send X number of traffic, then that's a whole different ballgame.

    Sorry if this is a derail.
    Not a derail and goes to the heart of the issue in that we dont know because details have not been posted.

    Shaun, i dont doubt that mate and if forced to past judgement i would lean towards the program because it would not be the cleverest move to post up such an accusation.

    But it dont work like that for programs or affiliates, or it should not anyway, anyone making any form of accusation that brings it in to the public domain has a certain responsibility and that includes proving proof.

    Otherwise keep it private.

    If you know what i mean
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    Hello!

    if you need a Spanish translator / intermediary let me know.
    I've also been in contact with Supercoco.

    Cheers,
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    Ok,

    I want to confirm with the readers of this thread that by posting an IO, affiliate stats and correspondence that affeurope will not be frowned upon for posting these private matters and that something positive will be done to prevent affiliates Tomi Vijalen and Axel from working within our community.

    Please understand that we view it as morally incorrect to post office material even if it is with regards to affiliate theft and will only be doing so in order to resolve our situation and furthermore protect the affiliate community.

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    Everybody wants proof they have asked for it so many times, just block out any private info as in postal details payment deatils and it should be fine.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by affeurope View Post
    Ok,

    I want to confirm with the readers of this thread that by posting an IO, affiliate stats and correspondence that affeurope will not be frowned upon for posting these private matters and that something positive will be done to prevent affiliates Tomi Vijalen and Axel from working within our community.

    Please understand that we view it as morally incorrect to post office material even if it is with regards to affiliate theft and will only be doing so in order to resolve our situation and furthermore protect the affiliate community.
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    Thumbs down Proof that Axel lied to GPWA community and Affeurope

    Below is the MSN chat between Anjelica the affeurope account manager and Axel the rogue affiliate. the conversation is in Spanish. In the conversation Axel agrees to send the money back that he owes to AffEurope. This is very serious as Axel not only lied to affeurope but refuted and denied this issue in this thread and is guilty of trying to decieve the GPWA community in the hope that the proof would not be published;

    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    hola Axel
    Angelica
    Hola
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    cuanto tiempo que no te vi
    Angelica
    ya van a procesar el pago
    Angelica
    espero que esta semana ya lo tengais
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok, gracias
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    avisame por favor cuando lo mandas
    Angelica
    yo no lo mando
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok
    Angelica
    igualmente ahora estais en una lista negra
    Angelica
    os costara encontrar webmasters de espaņa
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    me estas amenazando ?
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    tu no pudiste mandar me jugadores
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    y me desapareciste
    Angelica
    yo no te amenazo
    Angelica
    yo te devuelvo el dinero
    Angelica
    eso no es problema
    Angelica
    solo te digo
    Angelica
    que quien me deja mal yo tmb dejo mal
    Angelica
    y no desapareci
    Angelica
    eso quiero dejarlo muy claro
    Angelica
    yo tng un bypass gastrico
    Angelica
    y estuve hospitalizado
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    mira me gustaria terminar eso sin problemas
    Angelica
    de etoropartners
    Angelica
    me dijo cobra
    Angelica
    lyora esta en gamingpromo
    Angelica
    y quiere agregarte
    Angelica
    y yo le dije Ok
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    mis jefes quiere terminar la campania
    Angelica
    y yo
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok
    Angelica
    te puedo hacer el pago por un TPV?
    Angelica
    con tarjeta de credito
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    wire transfer please
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD Nuevos contratos con Europartners y Forexyard
    cuando vas a mandar el dinero ?
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD Nuevos contratos con Europartners y Forexyard
    tenes nuesta cuenta si ?
    Angelica
    esto ya es pasarse
    Angelica
    cada dia estar recordandomelo

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    [QUOTE=affeurope;579535]Below is the MSN chat between Anjelica the affeurope account manager and Axel the rogue affiliate. the conversation is in Spanish. In the conversation Axel agrees to send the money back that he owes to AffEurope. This is very serious as Axel not only lied to affeurope but refuted and denied this issue in this thread and is guilty of trying to decieve the GPWA community in the hope that the proof would not be published;

    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    hola Axel- HI Axel
    Angelica
    Hola - Hi
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    cuanto tiempo que no te vi - Long time I saw you
    Angelica
    ya van a procesar el pago - are you going to porces the payment
    Angelica
    espero que esta semana ya lo tengais - I expect you to have it this week
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok, gracias - ok thanks
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    avisame por favor cuando lo mandas- let me know once you have sent it (or when you send it)
    Angelica
    yo no lo mando - I won't send it
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok - ok
    Angelica
    igualmente ahora estais en una lista negra - you are on a blacklist
    Angelica
    os costara encontrar webmasters de espaņa - it's hard to find spanish webmasters
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    me estas amenazando ? - are you threatening me
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    tu no pudiste mandar me jugadores - you didn't deliver players
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    y me desapareciste- you disappeared on me
    Angelica
    yo no te amenazo - i do not threat you
    Angelica
    yo te devuelvo el dinero- I pay you back the money
    Angelica
    eso no es problema this is ok
    Angelica
    solo te digo - I'm just saying
    Angelica
    que quien me deja mal yo tmb dejo mal- he who let's me down i let him down to
    Angelica
    y no desapareci - i didn't disappear
    Angelica
    eso quiero dejarlo muy claroi want this to be clear
    Angelica
    yo tng un bypass gastrico- I got a bypass
    Angelica
    y estuve hospitalizado- I was in the hospital
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok- ok
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    mira me gustaria terminar eso sin problemas - look i want to solve this without troubles


    Don't want to say anything but this chat seems very strange to me.......seems bits are cut out or names are swapped....

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    username hippietor I know you are also username supercocco AKA Axel.

    Please you have the proof and there is more where that came from.

    Just give us the money back no more games.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by affeurope View Post
    Below is the MSN chat between Anjelica the affeurope account manager and Axel the rogue affiliate. the conversation is in Spanish. In the conversation Axel agrees to send the money back that he owes to AffEurope. This is very serious as Axel not only lied to affeurope but refuted and denied this issue in this thread and is guilty of trying to decieve the GPWA community in the hope that the proof would not be published;

    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    hola Axel
    Angelica
    Hola
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    cuanto tiempo que no te vi
    Angelica
    ya van a procesar el pago
    Angelica
    espero que esta semana ya lo tengais
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok, gracias
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    avisame por favor cuando lo mandas
    Angelica
    yo no lo mando
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok
    Angelica
    igualmente ahora estais en una lista negra
    Angelica
    os costara encontrar webmasters de espaņa
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    me estas amenazando ?
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    tu no pudiste mandar me jugadores
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    y me desapareciste
    Angelica
    yo no te amenazo
    Angelica
    yo te devuelvo el dinero
    Angelica
    eso no es problema
    Angelica
    solo te digo
    Angelica
    que quien me deja mal yo tmb dejo mal
    Angelica
    y no desapareci
    Angelica
    eso quiero dejarlo muy claro
    Angelica
    yo tng un bypass gastrico
    Angelica
    y estuve hospitalizado
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    mira me gustaria terminar eso sin problemas
    Angelica
    de etoropartners
    Angelica
    me dijo cobra
    Angelica
    lyora esta en gamingpromo
    Angelica
    y quiere agregarte
    Angelica
    y yo le dije Ok
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    mis jefes quiere terminar la campania
    Angelica
    y yo
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    ok
    Angelica
    te puedo hacer el pago por un TPV?
    Angelica
    con tarjeta de credito
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD
    wire transfer please
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD Nuevos contratos con Europartners y Forexyard
    cuando vas a mandar el dinero ?
    AXEL Email Marketing,LTD Nuevos contratos con Europartners y Forexyard
    tenes nuesta cuenta si ?
    Angelica
    esto ya es pasarse
    Angelica
    cada dia estar recordandomelo
    It must be me because i just dont get that coversation.

    I did my own translation via google and while it did not all make sense in translation i get the gist of how the conversation went.

    For starters you have Axel saying hello Axel, maybe thats normal or typo or whatever.

    But it looks like its Axel asking for the money he is owed.

    Affeurope belive me i really want to help you here, no one likes rogue affiliates if that is the case but honestly unless i am missing something that conversation is far from being proof.

    I mean who is Angelica and why is she saying i pay back the money

    Help us to understand better please Affeurope

    What it seems to me is an error in the copy and paste, seems all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    Show me the proof and i will back the program 100%

    And dont forget that from the get go it was said to the program in question to provide the proof, they have not yet and may not be able to due to privacy etc.

    But from what i can gather the GAU offered its assistance as an arbitrator in this and the program refused.

    Just my 2 cents
    I think affeurope needs to reconsider this move here. I mean what can it hurt? The way it's going now it don't look good and IMO someone needs access to the information that both parties have in order to settle this.

    I rarely trust anything I see pasted unless I'm part of the conversation and after seeing this hatchet job (cut/paste) I'm glad that I don't. lol

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    Players and affs use the boards, so can the aff firms then.

    However, this is a bit of a mess.

    I believe someone(gau?) offered to mediate earlier, affuerope refused, and is now posting spanish msn convo's in an English speaking forum.

    I'd take the mediator.

    However, do aff firms feel affs running mediation situations a bit strong? I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by affeurope View Post
    username hippietor I know you are also username supercocco AKA Axel.
    Sure, and loads of people know me as Santa, Mighty Mouse or Donald Duck but only my real friends as Shrek, John Doe, Al Capone or Kim il Yuk.

    However I was baptized, Hagar Ole XXXXson. (edited no foul language was intended)


    Now can we (you) focus on your issue again, I just translated a part of text provided by YOU. So let me know if the translation is not right!
    Last edited by hippietor; 20 January 2010 at 1:30 pm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippietor View Post
    Sure, and loads of people know me as Santa, Mighty Mouse or Donald Duck but only my real friends as Shrek, John Doe, Al Capone or Kim il Yuk.

    However I was baptized, Hagar Ole Fuckson.


    Now can we (you) focus on your issue again, I just translated a part of text provided by YOU. So let me know if the translation is not right!
    Sorry you have zero credibility with me

    The baptized name is not funny at all and was a lame attempt using foul language

    And yeah i reckon you are the affiliate in question, i could be wrong but dont think so, just my opinion.
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    Christ, what a shambles.

    There's bits in the original Spanish MSN chat that aren't even translated in Hippietor's translation and frankly an MSN chat transcript is proof of nothing much at all.

    Intuitively, I believe AffEurope are probably in the right here, but proof would be this:

    a) Details of the insertion order and what was agreed - ie: minimum number of players, minimum pageviews, clicks or whatever.

    b) Visitor tracking stats showing that this affiliate didn't deliver.

    This shouldn't be difficult to come by. Until then, it's all sound and fury signifying nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    1. Sorry you have zero credibility with me

    2.The baptized name is not funny at all and was a lame attempt using foul language

    3. And yeah i reckon you are the affiliate in question, i could be wrong but dont think so, just my opinion.
    1. Fair enough.

    2. Didn't attempt to step on any toes, was just angry about a pm affeurope sent me and reacted.

    3. I'm not and don't know the guy nor have any relationship with that guy.

    I just reported an spam issue with them in this thread which affeurope do not follow up on, and translated a bit of text provided by affeurope himself.

    so maybe back on topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Issue Resolution Forum, or something like that, where the issue can be aired without being publicly branded unethical.

    GREAT IDEA!! Please add it!
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    Well, first of all this thread is not about spam and if you have a valid spam complaint it should not be posted in this thread. As far as the foul language, in the future PLEASE be more careful about that.

    I for one would be totally against any stats being posted in this public thread by affeurope.

    All affiliates should have their stats be private and should never be posted by an affiliate program without first obtaining permission.

    If an affiliate posts a screenshot of stats to make a point, or to get input on understanding from their peers, that is up to the individual affiliate and should not be dictated by the program.

    If this situation were handled by a mediator, such as the GIA, GAU or a GPWA rep then screenshots could be provided privately to a select group to back up or deny claims being made without making them public.

    Joeyl brought up a valid point and I am not sure if that is why they did not take that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tryme View Post
    There's bits in the original Spanish MSN chat that aren't even translated in Hippietor's translation and frankly an MSN chat transcript is proof of nothing much at all.
    I just translated the first part as the names in that part do not match the answers and therefore it's a bit hard to follow. I didn't modify, copy/pasted or edited any part of the text provided by affeurope in any way!!! (the original text is next to it)

    The chat text is posted by affeurope himself!

    Just thought to help people out here and translate a part which for sure raised question marks for those who speak Spanish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Well, first of all this thread is not about spam and if you have a valid spam complaint it should not be posted in this thread. As far as the foul language, in the future PLEASE be more careful about that.
    Spam: That's why I followed up with the simple post containing the following message to affeurope;"pm sent" and didn't continue in this thread.

    Foul language: The foul language was no "lame attempt" at all (just anger) and was immediately edited by me after I read and replied to betpartners post.

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    Hi, uh my permission given from the first message to post the invoice AFFEUROPE = refuse contract but obviously they have no reason.
    No amount of players was set, it was a permission email marketing www.miniemail.com campaign CPC cost per click.
    I have to ask the forum administrators to close the message if AFFEUROPE not going to present real evidence and obvious.

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    My personal oppinion ... is that on AffEurope something is not right! He chews and chews the same story with out any evidence just words!

    Also u have poste a private MSN conversation in a public forum which that is illigal, that shows to me lack of maturity as a responcible person would solve this matter in private.

    Again am forced to say something we say in Cyprus and that is "Show me your friend and i will tell you who you are!"

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