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    I assume it is Nir who is posting for Affeurope. He is on my MSN friends for at least a year ,very friendly guy but I am very surprised he would take this to a public forum.Nir ,I think you should take up the offer of mediation ,show them your payment to the affiliate and any I/O you have.Is there any affiliate manager who has good experience with this person/people?It really seems strange that this happened two times to same programs in such a small span of time .Do these two affiliate know eachother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arisoftnet View Post
    My personal oppinion ... is that on AffEurope something is not right! He chews and chews the same story with out any evidence just words!

    Also u have poste a private MSN conversation in a public forum which that is illigal, that shows to me lack of maturity as a responcible person would solve this matter in private.

    Again am forced to say something we say in Cyprus and that is "Show me your friend and i will tell you who you are!"
    A bit strong IMHO.

    The program was adamant that they didn't want to post private data, but "proof" was demanded all round. I'd imagine this is the closest they could post without actually posting the aff stats or contract (which would be more of a breach). Also, I highly doubt that it's illegal.

    The problem is that the MSN isn't proof of anything, and actually just confuses the issue more.

    The simple truth is this:

    In my time as media buyer / campaign manager / aff manager, I have been similar situations a couple of times while learning, and it's frustrating as all hell.

    Sometimes it's by a dodgy affiliate, but sometimes it's because you didn't cover your bases while negotiating or signing the IO.

    The latter is the most frustrating, because you've spent $x,xxx on a test campaign, got nothing in return, your boss demands either ROI or a make good, and the affiliate says "Sorry mate, the clicks are there. I never promised players."

    You can try and "negotiate" and "demand" all you like in the latter case, but if the affiliate sticks to their guns, and is happy to not do any further business, you have to wear it, learn from it, and move on. It's not fraud, it's business and it's harsh. Just make sure not to repeat it. Always be very clear and upfront about what you expect from a campaign, and negotiate a "make good" and "out clause" into the original contract. Also agree beforehand by who's tracking your reporting on.

    The only way this could be solved is if a 3rd party were to get access to both the original IO, as well as the campaign results (clicks mainly, as it was a CPC campaign), but I doubt that this will happen, so this entire thread is pointless.

    If the click results match the paid for number on the IO, then no dice for the program. If not, the affiliate needs to send back the funds, as the contract was not fulfilled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arisoftnet View Post
    My personal oppinion ... is that on AffEurope something is not right! He chews and chews the same story with out any evidence just words!

    Also u have poste a private MSN conversation in a public forum which that is illigal, that shows to me lack of maturity as a responcible person would solve this matter in private.

    Again am forced to say something we say in Cyprus and that is "Show me your friend and i will tell you who you are!"
    But what you're saying is contradictory - you're saying Affeurope should post evidence in your first sentence and telling them it's illegal in your second.

    They should select a couple people, an affiliate and an AM to mediate this in private. I think Paul has offered the GAU's services... I'm sure there's an AM here who would step up and help out a fellow member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK - Schalk View Post

    In my time as media buyer / campaign manager / aff manager, I have been similar situations a couple of times while learning, and it's frustrating as all hell (Sorry Betpartners).
    CLARIFICATION:

    Betpartners has never had any "dubious" business dealings with me. I've dealt with him before, and he is a stand up and classy fellow.

    The mention of his name was simply a light-hearted jab for his post about foul language earlier and me saying "as all hell".

    I apologise for not completely considering the context and placement of his name. Hope I didn't give anyone the wrong idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepokerkeep View Post
    They should select a couple people, an affiliate and an AM to mediate this in private. I think Paul has offered the GAU's services... I'm sure there's an AM here who would step up and help out a fellow member.
    I'd be happy to help, if the community trusts my judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CK - Schalk View Post
    CLARIFICATION:

    Betpartners has never had any "dubious" business dealings with me. I've dealt with him before, and he is a stand up and classy fellow.

    The mention of his name was simply a light-hearted jab for his post about foul language earlier and me saying "as all hell".

    I apologise for not completely considering the context and placement of his name. Hope I didn't give anyone the wrong idea.
    Phew, so i did get away with it then

    easier than what i thought, wanna do another deal mate

    Seriously though, cheers for the clarification, just confirms that you mate are also a classy dude in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK - Schalk View Post
    I'd be happy to help, if the community trusts my judgment.
    And yes you would be a great choice from the AM side without a doubt

    But will affeurope be ok with this, thats the question, hopefully they will and we can help them put this to bed as i suspect they are telling the truth, just not going the right way about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    And yes you would be a great choice from the AM side without a doubt

    But will affeurope be ok with this, thats the question, hopefully they will and we can help them put this to bed as i suspect they are telling the truth, just not going the right way about it.
    To be honest, I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to hand out info like that to a competitor, so perhaps someone such as Debbie (Greedygirl) or Rebecca, that has some experience as AMs could assist?

    Both of them are prominent figures that have been around for ages, and hasn't had their ethics called into question.

    Then again, if they decided to not take Paul up on his offer to help, there might not be much hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepokerkeep View Post
    But what you're saying is contradictory - you're saying Affeurope should post evidence in your first sentence and telling them it's illegal in your second.

    They should select a couple people, an affiliate and an AM to mediate this in private. I think Paul has offered the GAU's services... I'm sure there's an AM here who would step up and help out a fellow member.
    Terry from the time Affeurope descited to post this on public he could post a copy of an invoice or an agrement! That is one thing.... to post in public a private conversation with out the permission of the second party that is illigal! I know this from the monitoring system we use at work. In order to enable IM Services(instant Messaging) You must have a written permision from the persons that are involed into the specific conversations!

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    But then again theft is illegal too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgaming View Post
    But then again theft is illegal too?

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    But the thing in this thread is that Affeurope didnt prove any theft , from all what is written it seems that Affeurope made a VERBAL agreement with the Affiliate in order to drive him traffic and therefore potential players on the gambling brands!

    We all know that no one of us here have real players in our pockets. So from the time that Affeurope made a verbal agreement and Prepaid the Affiliate it seems to me that he gambled that money ....and at the end of the day he lost!

    For me that is not a stealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    Sorry you have zero credibility with me

    The baptized name is not funny at all and was a lame attempt using foul language

    And yeah i reckon you are the affiliate in question, i could be wrong but dont think so, just my opinion.

    So when you try to be funny faul language isn't a problem?

    Check your own post https://www.gpwa.org/forum/probably-...de-186411.html

    just a few lines I read in it:

    - a dirty filthy, **** roach ridden hell hole
    - my arse
    - Anti social, miserable, aggressive and downright rude and obnoxious a race of people i have ever had the displeasure to come across.
    - So bloody expensive i feel like slapping the skin off anyone that charges me a single penny

    - fat bald arse

    and then you have an issue with one 'so called faul language word' in my post?!

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    Default Jod hi,

    Can you please STOP mention my name every where- i'm not writing nothing - if i want to post something i use MY NAME-
    i have nothing to do with that issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casinobonusguy View Post
    I assume it is Nir who is posting for Affeurope. He is on my MSN friends for at least a year ,very friendly guy but I am very surprised he would take this to a public forum.Nir ,I think you should take up the offer of mediation ,show them your payment to the affiliate and any I/O you have.Is there any affiliate manager who has good experience with this person/people?It really seems strange that this happened two times to same programs in such a small span of time .Do these two affiliate know eachother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippietor View Post
    So when you try to be funny faul language isn't a problem?

    Check your own post https://www.gpwa.org/forum/probably-...de-186411.html

    just a few lines I read in it:

    - a dirty filthy, **** roach ridden hell hole
    - my arse
    - Anti social, miserable, aggressive and downright rude and obnoxious a race of people i have ever had the displeasure to come across.
    - So bloody expensive i feel like slapping the skin off anyone that charges me a single penny

    - fat bald arse

    and then you have an issue with one 'so called faul language word' in my post?!
    Mine was an opening post done tongue in cheek and taken as such and not in response to a post , a significant difference.

    But nice copy and pasting
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    Okay maybe an over reaction!!!

    Guys as I have said i think this one is better taken in private it seems nothing will be achived fighting this out in public.

    Shaun

    Quote Originally Posted by Nir Katshal View Post
    Can you please STOP mention my name every where- i'm not writing nothing - if i want to post something i use MY NAME-
    i have nothing to do with that issue.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    Mine was an opening post done tongue in cheek and taken as such and not in response to a post , a significant difference.

    But nice copy and pasting
    Ah ok, so you decide what is 'Tongue in cheek', what's funny, and when it should be considered a 'lame attempt to using faul language'?

    My post was an answer to a false accusation by affeurope of me being someone else. In that same post I was trying to get affeurope back on topic, which I assume all readers want;

    "Now can we (you) focus on your issue again, I just translated a part of text provided by YOU. So let me know if the translation is not right!"

    Whether you like it or not this case is still fishy in my opinion, and yes I'm free to have my opinion.

    On another note; If my Spanish translation wasn't right feel free to correct it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippietor View Post
    Ah ok, so you decide what is 'Tongue in cheek', what's funny, and when it should be considered a 'lame attempt to using faul language'?

    My post was an answer to a false accusation by affeurope of me being someone else. In that same post I was trying to get affeurope back on topic, which I assume all readers want;

    "Now can we (you) focus on your issue again, I just translated a part of text provided by YOU. So let me know if the translation is not right!"

    Whether you like it or not this case is still fishy in my opinion, and yes I'm free to have my opinion.

    On another note; If my Spanish translation wasn't right feel free to correct it!
    LOL ok,
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    IMO I think it's time for the sheriff.........this is getting no where

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    Axel what I find most amusing is that over the course of one thread you have:

    lied about your username and tried to pose as other user to cause problems

    Been proven to have lied about owing money

    and now you have gone and started a fight on betpartners!

    I started this thread to warn people about you and you have ended it by showing why you should be avoided.

    Good luck in the industry......

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