Affiliate managers who have their own portals...

[Daera]

I agree with what most here said. But I do think it helps an affiliate to have been a player. And I think it helps for an affiliate manger to have been an affiliate. (Even if it's past tense).

[jctroy440]

As a long time drag racer, I would sell last years car off to some new guy coming up. I wasn't about to tell him the perfect setup because next week I was going to be heads up with him.

I don't think it's the Affiliate Managers responsibility to teach new guys SEO. Their job is to educate the newbie on their particular product and how to present it correctly.

There are VOLUMES of free SEO training available out there for new people to study. If you hit on a sweet spot are you going to tell your AM right away......nope, you'll keep it to yourself. Come on! That's the way of the jungle. I am ultimately responsible for the success or failure of my site and it is my responsibility to learn how to use the tools of the trade and apply them as best I can to knock ol' whats his name off the first page of Ma Google. It is possible.

[GFPC]

@TopBoss - OMG that is a crazy story. I cannot believe the guy was making tons of porn sites. That must of freaked you and your husband out.

Crazy eh?

[Renee]

I don't think it's the Affiliate Managers responsibility to teach new guys SEO. Their job is to educate the newbie on their particular product and how to present it correctly.

There are VOLUMES of free SEO training available out there for new people to study. If you hit on a sweet spot are you going to tell your AM right away......nope, you'll keep it to yourself. Come on! That's the way of the jungle. I am ultimately responsible for the success or failure of my site and it is my responsibility to learn how to use the tools of the trade and apply them as best I can to knock ol' whats his name off the first page of Ma Google. It is possible.

It may not be our job, but wouldn't you feel more confident working with an affiliate manager who was able to help with that too?

I look at it this way just as an example - I have a web development background. An affiliate is more likely to come ask me for coding advice for their website than the next guy who doesn't have that experience, and at the end of the day, because of my skills (that are perhaps not necessary or not my job?) the affiliate will promote our brands because I helped him with something I didn't have to.

Get me?

So it may not be my job per se, but it will definitely help it along in that way.

[pompeyrayuk]

It may not be our job, but wouldn't you feel more confident working with an affiliate manager who was able to help with that too?

I look at it this way just as an example - I have a web development background. An affiliate is more likely to come ask me for coding advice for their website than the next guy who doesn't have that experience, and at the end of the day, because of my skills (that are perhaps not necessary or not my job?) the affiliate will promote our brands because I helped him with something I didn't have to.

Get me?

So it may not be my job per se, but it will definitely help it along in that way.

Coming Soon: Renee's Creative Corner

Ive been waiting soooooo sooooooo long for the luscious Renee to get creative in a corner with me!

[casinobonusguy]

I know of one affiliate manager who owns quite a few sites ,it does bother me a bit.As for casinos out there who own portals that is becoming increasingly obviously to me ,some can hide it better than others.

[mojo]

The problem I have with it is that aff managers usually can see the (successful) links where our players come from making it easy to mimic and directly compete. That would be unethical of course but that's what makes me uncomfortable.

Having a website and competing fairly doesn't bother me. But it would if I was their employer/operator. There would have to be some clear rules on that.

I don't know if I'm correct or not, but programs that have a large aff manager turnover with many constantly coming and going gives me pause. Not sure what info of mine is being passed around and who is competing with me.

Maybe it's better to have a new thread but I was wondering what Aff Managers look for in a program before they start working for them?

[arkyt]

As for casinos out there who own portals that is becoming increasingly obviously to me ,some can hide it better than others.

True that - Spinspark LTD isnt a small operation...

[baldidiot]

To cut a long story short - we found literally 20 or so websites he had been designing for clients, but the worst part of all is that the majority of these sites were actually porn sites.

I'm hoping he wasn't hosting them on your servers!

[Renee]

Coming Soon: Renee's Creative Corner

Ive been waiting soooooo sooooooo long for the luscious Renee to get creative in a corner with me!

This will be live with the new site that we are hoping will be ready to go live ASAP

Just going through the last bugs and changes now.

[pgaming]

Affiliate managers with their own portals nothing new but scary non the less. Conflict of interest and the temptation to cross players over to themselves is likely very high.

But yes it does exist as it always has. Need no proof but rather prove me wrong. Lets face it folks what we have here is a broken system and getting worse by the day. I think the days could be numbered. Some of these programs have out drawn us.

But do not despair because IMO the money train is slowly migrating away from Online Gambling. There are tremendous money generating opportunities fast approaching. With the talents we all process we should have no issues tapping into other markets.

greek39

[cass]

Affiliate managers with their own portals nothing new but scary non the less. Conflict of interest and the temptation to cross players over to themselves is likely very high.

But yes it does exist as it always has. Need no proof but rather prove me wrong. Lets face it folks what we have here is a broken system and getting worse by the day. I think the days could be numbered. Some of these programs have out drawn us.

But do not despair because IMO the money train is slowly migrating away from Online Gambling. There are tremendous money generating opportunities fast approaching. With the talents we all process we should have no issues tapping into other markets.

greek39

You might have a point there greek39.

I'm getting the same nostalgic feeling. More and more online casinos are beginning to join the fray, as a result the competition has become extremely fierce not only between affiliates but between casinos as well. Gone are the days when sound business ethics still prevailed...

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[cmdenny]

Interesting thread. I think it is a common trend in iGaming for people to have "projects" on the side. As an employer I have to say it's not something that is a typically positive thing from the businesses point of view.

[LiveCasinoPartners]

Great thread.
I started out as an affiliate before launching LiveCasinoPartners.com. I felt it was something I wanted to do at the time. The first two years I was the main affilaite manager as well as director. Now, Gabriel is the main affiliate manager. we do have some others in the office working behind the scenes but no no one has ANY affiliate sites other than the ones I started out with. As time went on my affiliate sites took second.. Then third seat to the LCP programs and live casinos (LuckyLiveCasino and Celtic Casino). My old sites effectively became direct marketing for the brands.

Is it a conflict of interest for an AM to have their own affiliate sites? Well, it certainly could be depending on the affiliate manager. Personally, I would not feel comfortable with any of our affiliate managers having their own sites due to the possibility of the conflict of interest that could be perceived by the affiliates.

I heard a story from a great guy and affiliate Andy, who said that a previous affiliate manager copied his sites and once the AM started making money quit being an AM and became a webmaster full tome based on Andy's technique. He was livid, and I would be too.

So, I do think that it could be a conflict of interest. What we've done at LCP is give the AM's an renumeration based on the success of the affiliates. So, from an economic point of view as well as personal our main AM Gabriel wants our affiliates to perform well. Thus willing to go the extra mile. That's our solution at least.

[radicaldomains]

Ugh, copy a site? if it were only that easy you wouldn't have affiliates..

[MichaelCorfman]

I really like this thread as its a good question. Maybe Michael when he has time can post this as a poll in the forums so everyone can vote on views.

Your wish is my command (at least this time).

Here is the a question of the week based on your request:

Is it acceptable for affiliate managers to operate their own affiliate sites?.

Michael

[GFPC]

Your wish is my command (at least this time).

You mean my list of 20 other wishes wont go through? (joking).

On a serious note - thanks Michael its always been something I was interested in from way back at least 1.5 years ago.

I had a different view back then!!

Thanks again

Steve

[Roulette Zeitung]

19. November 2014
Gamer

"You mean, he [JO ARILD REMME] is this guy that own 50% of LeoJackpot? It could be possible for co-owner to "re-direct" players from other affliates accounts to his account. This is conflict of interest, being owner and affiliate of the same casino!!"
Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/another-o...tml#post772791


20. November 2014
cass

"A couple of years ago I started [THIS THREAD] here why I think it's unethical for affiliate managers to run their own portals and now it seems casino owners are doing this too. [...] To be honest I think it's unethical, why would I want to work with someone that's in direct competition with me. [...] Assuming your info on the affiliates sites is correct, it stands to reason that ''Remme'' has been syphoning the players affiliates referred off to his own portal sites. I think this bloke must be blacklisted across all jurisdictions and not be allowed to run his own casinos any more. What he's doing is criminal."
Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/another-o...tml#post772839


20. November 2014
Roulette Zeitung

"Four years later, the current situation shows that, this poll is today more topical than ever. Ancient scrolls ... sometimes ... revealing the mysteries of current days! If old posts are worth nothing, then we can stop writing forever."
Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/acceptabl...tml#post772852

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-In real casinos in Germany the jacket pockets of the dealer are sewn up. Every dealer -in the moment of dealer change- must clap the hands and reverse seat cushion, that they don't get silly ideas to steal any chips.

-If e.g. a family member of German police men is a victim of crime, then he will be excluded from investigations, that he don't get silly ideas to take revenge.

-It's prohibited for e.g. a Federal Minister for Health to make a 2nd job in pharmaceutical industry, that he don't get silly ideas to change the words of law.

-For a bank employee it's prohibited to work with a 2nd job in exactly the company where the safe will be constructed. The same motto: Don't get silly ideas!

And now think twice about the following:

[...] a common practice by some programs (at least in the past), and it will be done by affiliate manager too. As always: The good programs have to suffer by this. There are different ways to steal from webmasters.

Example?

A player with good quality is near-constant losing his money since some time. After a black day and quick before (!) the player makes his next big deposit, the player will be rebooked from the webmaster account to a "phantom account". Only the affiliate manager (or casino owner) have control over this account. The player disappears in the webmaster account, and the webmaster don't see any actions (for a while) regarding this player.

The affiliate manager (or casino owner) now wait as longs as the player makes again a big deposit (in the "phantom account") and is losing his money. If the player is broken and only after this then the player will be rebooked to the webmaster account. The webmaster did not notice a thing from what really happened with the player.

This fraud can hardly be proved, because there is no discrepancies betweent deposits, net gaming and revenue share. The balance sheet of the webmaster account is still "correct" by the view of the webmaster. Only whistleblowers can reveal this.

Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/another-o...tml#post772776



Don't get silly ideas!

Leopold

[MMM]

What you address here is shaving. The original thread was about affiliate managers being at the same time affiliates themselves. That doesn't need to involve shaving in any way.

[RacingJim]

Affiliate managers having their own gambling affiliate site should be a massive no-no.

I am extremely cagey about what I tell affiliate managers or anybody else for that matter, for example I never let them know my high performing pages, what methods I'm using etc.

There are no friends in business, only potential future competitors.