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    Yeah, How To Destroy The Internet in 10 easy lessons.

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    Nice material Vinism I learn a little everyday, thanks keep it coming.

    I wonder though if copyrights held within U.S boarders could possible be enforced in other nations?

    I wonder if Prelinger Archives could be in violation for housing copyright material?

    I wonder if some of these newspapers carry a disclaimer or privacy policy? If not why?

    I wonder what steps these newspapers have taken to prevent this from happening to begin with aside from just a copyright stamp?

    I wonder if these newspapers should share the negligence knowing the WEB copyright issues maybe a major concern?
    ( as in you knew your articles would be used by millions but you went ahead away)


    I wonder if I could use Google maps and post this fellow house and car without a lawsuit?

    I wonder if Google is next to be sued for millions of copyright infringements?

    I wonder why Wikipedia is excluded?

    I wonder why they just don't pack their bags and leave the Web?

    (no need to answer Vinism just shooting out random thoughts)

    As you can see I wonder a lot. What is happening here IMO is an attempt from those who missed the WEB boat to jump aboard. Billions of e-commerce every year all we need is bag full U.S attorneys running around loose on the web. Sorry fellows tad late but if you still would like to play good luck, whole different ball game.

    Well unfortunately as most who have websites know the underlying rules, “before you sue give me an opportunity to fix the issue.” This just may apply in the real world as well. Some sort of warning is given, letter, phone call, email, file a complaint, or whatever, long as an attempt is made.

    I realize I likely have not said anything intriguing other than demonstrate my frustrations. When something seems wrong it likely is. I can only hope this lawyer dude encounters a suitable contender and one case goes to trail. Lets burn a hole in valuable court time.

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    Thank you Vin. Your insight is appreciated.

    You wrote, "Bloggers would have nothing to write about or link to without the traditional the media."

    I know you were thinking from the perspective of a journalist, but I think that is really not the case in today's media. Mainstream journalist are quickly being replaced by everyday internet users. It's a silent media revolution.

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    Shouldn't any media putting their work on the web put a 'warning" of some sort to would be copiers that copying thier words, articles or works is forbidden and a crime. Any articles that are to be reposted must be reworded and linked back to original writer.

    I think if they would add this little bit of information to the bottom of any and all written material, "good" and honest webmasters would do exactly what it allows. Some webmasters just have a lack of knowledge on the subject and these few words educate.
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    Quoting and linking up relevant content is the whole point of the internet, FF's sake.
    Tell google that dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgaming View Post
    I can only hope this lawyer dude encounters a suitable contender and one case goes to trail. Lets burn a hole in valuable court time.
    Righthaven has been very selective about which sites they are singling out for copyright infringement, and as far as I can tell, they are all sites that have taken entire articles and reposted them word-for-word. If someone who did that decides to take this fight all the way to court, I'm 99.9% certain they'll not only have to pay legal fees, but also an enormous fine for copyright infringement. There can be no "fair use" defense for this. We may not agree with their tactics or their methods, but the fact is that Righthaven has the legal right to do what they're doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by giggles7p View Post
    Shouldn't any media putting their work on the web put a 'warning" of some sort to would be copiers that copying thier words, articles or works is forbidden and a crime.
    The Las Vegas Review Journal does include a line that reads "Copyright Stephens Media LLC 1997 - 2010" on the footer of all their pages. And not knowing about the law unfortunately is not a legal excuse to break it. As I said, we may not agree with Righthaven's methods, but they have every legal right to do what they're doing ... and so would any other media company/law firm for any other source of copyrighted material.

    The key thing to note is that you shouldn't need to worry about copyright law if you follow the suggestions vinism made in his third post.

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    The Las Vegas Review Journal,

    Is also suing and collecting from webmasters that have used snippets of 25 to 30 words and linked back to them.

    See more here

    There is also cases where webmasters have made settlements with them only to be sued again the following week.

    Just so you all know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdjoe View Post
    The Las Vegas Review Journal,

    Is also suing and collecting from webmasters that have used snippets of 25 to 30 words and linked back to them.

    There is also cases where webmasters have made settlements with them only to be sued again the following week.

    Just so you all know.
    Hi Joe. Do you have a link to the source? I thought I'd read that somewhere as well, but I can't find the article now....
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    It'l take me a bit to dig them up but I will shortly.

    See link here.
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    While you are waiting, here is a good read for ya.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2556576/posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by snooptodd View Post
    As I said, we may not agree with Righthaven's methods, but they have every legal right to do what they're doing ... and so would any other media company/law firm for any other source of copyrighted material.
    Sorry, no they wouldn't.

    If they were concerned about their property, they'd fire off an email and say "kindly delete". Then they'd do the DMCA thing if that failed.

    THEN they'd sue.

    This is nothing about protecting authorship rights, this is a hustle. People seem to be missing this.

    My characteristically verbose take:

    http://online_casino_news.hundredper...right-law.html

    If LVRJ lose a bunch of links, this will totally backfire. Noone should link to this rag ever again.

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    Good job Caruso!

    Terry, I think you'll find all you need to know in Carusos well written article.
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    I worry about these sorts of tactics and believe this lawyer fellow is just warming up. What other clients will he end representing? Presently I agree he appears to be targeting the smaller sites and has yet to sue someone bigger than himself.

    After doing a few searches early this morning it is clear this fellow is not welcome. In fact some our taking the extreme and baiting hoping for legal challenge. Even the very same newspapers this lawyer is defending has lifted images, content from the web some are reporting. I would venture to say that this lawyer is suing the very bread and butter that make these articles worthy of anything.

    Today's LVS is interesting won't bother quoting anything to risky LMAO

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    Very nice Caruso always count on you for doing something!!While I am here would you mind if I quote and link to the article on my blog?

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010...fighting-back/
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    Thanks Peter!

    The people at the Sun have been great

    Another good read.
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    Caruso,

    I enjoyed reading your article, and I have no quibbles with it. In fact, I agree that quoting and linking are the lifeblood of the Web. And Righthaven's actions are deplorable. If you want to protect copyright, protect copyright. What Righthaven is doing is a pure money grab. Plain and simple.

    The only place where you and I part ways on this issue (I think), is when it comes to reposting an entire article. To me, that crosses the line. If you want to quote and link to it, that's fine. But don't copy the whole thing.

    And in fact, that's what the law says as well. Quoting and linking is fine. Copying the whole thing is illegal.

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    Thanks Vin

    From my standpoint, I just started to post reviews, articles and whatnot.....after this, I will no longer link to any articles or other sites. Wether its a snippet with link or any mention. Why take the chance? The only links and mentions on my sites will be from my other sites.


    In the end, we all lose from this.
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    In the end, we all lose from this.
    So true! The free flow of information has limits.

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    Awesome article Caruso. But I still don't see a reference to Righthaven suing anyone for publishing excerpts of articles.
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