Anybody know where I can find a phone List of gamblers/sports bettors?

[CoopersPick]

Just like the title states. Was seeing if anybody had any suggestions for obtaining a list of phone numbers of sports bettors and gamblers.

[universal4]

Well, if my name and number was on it and you called me, that would be a harassing phone call, as I did not give YOU permission to call me about anything....

Just like any other version of spam....you are asking to acquire a list that isn't yours, and any names, numbers or email accounts on ity have not contacted you, did not sign up at one of YOUR websites, and therefore have never given YOU permission to contact them.

And I would also say, if you call US Residents on the phone to solicit Gambling from them, are you not using the telephone services for illegal betting?

That may or may not be a little more than just a grey area there....

Rick
Universal4

[CoopersPick]

what? That is a horrible, reply do you have any useful information. There are lots of places that sell lists for consumers. I am seeing if there is anybody on the GPWA that can give useful feedback.

Thanks

[universal4]

It's not really a horrible reply. (You should understand that people WILL give their opinions about things here)

It is based upon my own opinion, but it is likely shared by many more than would admit it publicly.

I would venture to guess there is not a very easy way to qualify a list of gamblers, except those that have signed up to other casinos, (we all know how well the selling of casino's players lists go over) and also lists of folks who have signed up for mailing lists etc at other's portals and those are predominantly lists of email addresses and any other info that might have been included and again, those lists were compiled by someone else.

I am not a lawyer, but I do think there may be problems that could arise from calling US residents concerning gambling.

I do not know whether that would be a direct violation of the wire act or not, but it may well be.

Bytheway, credit card companies and banks sell and trade lists also, and I do not appreciate calls from them either and I consider those calls in the same way.

It's just that when it concerns gambling I would think that you have a much higher risk of people that may be upset and try to cause you problems.

Rick
Universal4

[LiveCasinoPartners]

yea, Buying a list of phone numbers is just actually worse than spam. You are calling up players who haven't given permission to be disturbed. Telemarketers really get me irritated. They have a knack of ruining special moments.

I wouldn't dream of buying a list either.

You'll find that the overall opinion here at GPWA is the same. GPWA is the hallmark of ethical webmaster practices. Buying lists and sending spam (calling) is not an acceptable practice.

[Chalkie]

I am not going to disagree with anything said already because for the parts of the world that have been discussed the comments are very true i imagine. I say imagine because i trust the views of the people making them and i know not of how things work in the US.

It is quite different in the UK, however, and could not be classed as spam in the main.

You can buy lists of numbers legit over here and the numbers are not opt out.

Legally over here people have a right to opt out of info being passed on to third parties. Those that do not opt out are fair game.

Then we have a list of kinds that you can register on which instructs tele sales companies that they are not allowed to call us.

That said, i think it is not a good idea at all.

How many people gamble in private behind their families back? Imagine how wrong it could go if you called and spoke to someone's partner ...

If you called me to promote a casino or such like i would tell you the same as i tell the double glazing salesman **** off.

emails in the UK are a different matter of course altogether and if you could prove your email or any other personal information was passed on without you permission by a UK firm you could have them prosecuted under the Data Protection Act.

Having said that, i guess there are thousands of people in the UK that collect peoples data on computers that are not supposed to legally.

[FMecan]

I heared there is a big list of this in Australia at the moment

Just a joke! This kind of call aquision is.............

[baldidiot]

It is quite different in the UK, however, and could not be classed as spam in the main.

You can buy lists of numbers legit over here and the numbers are not opt out.

Not dissagreing with you here Chalkie, I think it's a terrible idea but I'm just curious... do you know if this would be permitted for gaming in the UK? Does the UK government have strict rules on how and where you can advertise gambling sites? This is an honest question - I don't actually know the answer.

Anyway, if I received such a call I'd consider it spam and possibly contact the sites you promote about it. But I guess it depends how much the call pissed me off.

Also something to be carefull of, I think you can get into quite a bit of trouble in the UK for calling someone on a no call list - so make sure the numbers are obtained legitimately.

Or were you talking about a list of numbers of people who have specifically signed up to be contacted by phone with offers?

[universal4]

The US also has a do not call list, but many direct marketers do not follow it.

Rick
Universal4

[Anthony]

It is unlikely anyone purchasing a list of this nature would be double checking the numbers against a no call list registry.

[shortow]

I heared there is a big list of this in Australia at the moment

Just a joke! This kind of call aquision is.............

anyone have the latest on the Laddy's player list? What a mess.

Trading player details, apart from being illegal in many parts of the world is just wrong. This is the type of stuff that gives this industry a bad name.

[RayUK]

As for the UK, you would definitely have to cross check the numbers against the TPS (telephone preference service) no call list. I am not sure you can do that directly, you may have to pay for the TPS to vet your list for you.

As for gambling telephone sales I am not sure if the white list rules apply but you would be advised to follow them if promoting in the UK.

All that said, I hate being called (I have opted myself out using the TPS and it does stop most cold calls), and I would agree with other comments above. I personally have zero interest in using telephone marketing like this so don't have any more information about it.

The trouble with buying lists in general (more usually email lists rather than telephone or address lists) is that you have no real idea whether the list is legitimate or not - have all those on the list really opted in to 3rd party emails? Highly unlikely - and what goes for email goes double for telephone numbers. What happens when the 17 year old son of the family at the home answers and you try to punt them a betting/gambling site?