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    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    No, football isn't what it was anymore, gone are the days of it being the working class mans game. Grounds now full of middle class families and tourists. euro 96 and the sky era have killed the game here for me

    would like to see us win but will be watching from the pubs at home with my mates rather than be wrapped around the jester hat wearing divs that follow england away thesedays and that annoying "england band"
    I gotta agree partly with this. I don't like all those wannabe-stars diving and crying at the field or the Qatar-owned football teams that will be bankrupt if the owner do not want to play with his toy anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    No, football isn't what it was anymore, gone are the days of it being the working class mans game. Grounds now full of middle class families and tourists. euro 96 and the sky era have killed the game here for me

    would like to see us win but will be watching from the pubs at home with my mates rather than be wrapped around the jester hat wearing divs that follow england away thesedays and that annoying "england band"
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    I gotta agree partly with this. I don't like all those wannabe-stars diving and crying at the field or the Qatar-owned football teams that will be bankrupt if the owner do not want to play with his toy anymore.
    What on earth are you guys on about?

    Since when were the finals of international tournaments the "working class" man's game?
    Or involving "Qatar owned football teams that would be bankrupt"?

    I appreciate a good rant but you're way off target here IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by RacingJim View Post
    Can't beat the atmosphere of being at an international tournament like this, all the different nation's fans mingling together, I've met some cracking people in the past and had some memorable nights out with people from different countries.

    Agreed !

    My experience of finals tournaments in that they are a great melting pot for fans of all nations and while the host nation is involved the place feels like "planet football" - usually with good weather and interesting food. I've been to four so far in Europe (France 1998, Netherlands / Belgium 2000, Portugal 2004 and Germany 2006) and look forward to adding Euro2016 to the experience.

    These tournaments ARE for the show pony players, and it brings out a whole lot of fans who don't expect their teams to win, but are there for the simple pleasure of watching and enjoying football with like minded people ... and a few beers. Tie it in with a summer holiday and you have a very memorable experience.

    It certainly beats travelling to watch Stoke City on a wet Wednesday night as a football treat.

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    Never had the slightest interest of attending a major tournament.

    People who attend these aren't regular football fans but some gay ludacris mutant of a casual football fan and a tourist. I know guys who went to major tournaments, I know guys who go to each and every one - and I don't like them.

    These are people who become a football fan once every two years. And they have the newest national team shirt, bought in an online store.

    It will be a festival of funny hats and selfie sticks. Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather get soaked on that Stoke game with proper football fans and proper men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanHorvat View Post
    People who attend these aren't regular football fans but .. casual football fan and a tourist.
    Ignoring the insults - this IS somewhat accurate for me.
    I don't care who wins the tournament - or even any of the games.
    I've chosen the event for the football AND the location / time.
    So yes - I am your football tourist.

    I'm sure you love your "Blue Hell" and raw emotive football support - but football isn't life and death and/or everything to me.

    I follow many competitions and have a favourite team in most of them - but often the initial support is for trite reasons like having a friend based in a city or having visited the city / stadium during a tournament and enjoyed the place.

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    I'd rather get soaked on that Stoke game with proper football fans and proper men.
    Proper ... what a poser !
    Drink real ale and eat jellied eels too ?

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    I follow many competitions and have a favourite team in most of them - but often the initial support is for trite reasons like having a friend based in a city or having visited the city / stadium during a tournament and enjoyed the place.
    So in other words you plan on attending because you enjoy the game?

    Imagine that a "fan" of the actual game, who can enjoy watching even when his team doesn't win....

    I would rather sit beside that guy. then the one who lives and breathes a specific team on a day his team is losing, as that is just not enjoyable having to put up with constant bitching about plays, ref calls and the like.

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    gooner, sorry but what you like about football seems to be everything I hate about the modern game

    you telling me Italia 90 wasn't just working class english lads there supporting england? non of these floppy hat divs and horn blowing wallys, same with the 92 euros and all before, obviously 94 we didnt get through and if you know about the culture you'll know what orking class english lads did instead (created something good that has also since been over run by middle class johnny come latelys). Euro 96 ruined football for the normal working class fan. I'd take going back to that **** hole filbert street any day of the week to the normally boring king power stadium with happy clappy families asking you to sit down.

    and just seen this "Since when were the finals of international tournaments the "working class" man's game?"

    before 96 ALL football was the game of the working class man, now we've been pushed out

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
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    SIT! this is why you won't understand my culture of going football at all

    What the English had was a completely unique culture (welsh, scots and northern irish can be included), many have tried to copy it, many don't understand it but it has been all but taken away from us, and for that I am not interested in following england away and why i posted i won't be going

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    Yeah am gonna be there also in August. Looking forward to Rio. I love that city
    Nice! Let's meet up for a drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casinorep View Post
    Nice! Let's meet up for a drink.
    are you going to watch any specific events or do you just like the olympics in general?

    loved watching all the different events on the tv when london was. no idea if you're in the UK or not but the bbc put about 30 channels on to show almost all the events

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    sorry but what you like about football seems to be everything I hate about the modern game
    Probably - but then I'm coming at it from playing the game for 40 seasons over a 45 year span (a few years off for knee / Achilles recoveries).

    I played in three different countries, at a paid level at my best in big stadiums (for a short time), in small grounds in front of a couple of hundred during most of it, and in front of two men and a dog in a paddock at the end ... But football was always felt competitive and hard-fought - and yet I always was able to shake hands with an opponent at the end of a game ...

    Football fans don't ACTUALLY play the game - it seems obvious that the same attitude should be possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    I'd take going back to that **** hole filbert street any day of the week to the normally boring king power stadium with happy clappy families asking you to sit down.
    Unfortunately - that also meant hate filled stadiums, violence and resentment always near the surface?
    I'm glad those days are long behind us - and that special "culture" is dead.

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    before 96 ALL football was the game of the working class man, now we've been pushed out
    Perhaps in England - but elsewhere football had evolved and grown to be a larger part of general populations culture.

    International football is a sporting tournament - not a rite of passage or test of courage for football thugs.
    If THAT environment pushes people out and/or makes you feel unwelcome - then perhaps it's time to change the outlook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    Probably - but then I'm coming at it from playing the game for 40 seasons over a 45 year span (a few years off for knee / Achilles recoveries).

    I played in three different countries, at a paid level at my best in big stadiums (for a short time), in small grounds in front of a couple of hundred during most of it, and in front of two men and a dog in a paddock at the end ... But football was always felt competitive and hard-fought - and yet I always was able to shake hands with an opponent at the end of a game ...

    Football fans don't ACTUALLY play the game - it seems obvious that the same attitude should be possible.


    Unfortunately - that also meant hate filled stadiums, violence and resentment always near the surface?
    I'm glad those days are long behind us - and that special "culture" is dead.


    Perhaps in England - but elsewhere football had evolved and grown to be a larger part of general populations culture.

    International football is a sporting tournament - not a rite of passage or test of courage for football thugs.
    If THAT environment pushes people out and/or makes you feel unwelcome - then perhaps it's time to change the outlook?
    there's so much wrong about what you wrote there im afraid. one im a fan and have played the game so no idea what football fans dont actually play mean.

    "hate filled stadiums" etc etc, that is called atmosphere and if you think the ibrox derby or north east derby for example aint hate filled then i dispair.

    elsewhere football hadn't evolved, the whole of eastern europe now has huge hooligan problems, they haven't stepped back to that, they never evolved in the first place, middle class families on the terraces in poland or ukraine or serbia, dont think so

    and then we get to the football thugs comment, who mentioned anything about football thugs? This was part of the problem the whole working class being looked down as scum, and because a few fans fighting (and anyone says that dont happen anymore again hasn't a clue). this was just a small percentage yet a whole social class now aint wanted because football is now a money machine and not our sport (which we, the working classes, invented)

    I know you like you're football but you'll never convince me what we had was worse than what we have now. I've supported leicester all my life and had season tickets for years, and every season no matter what happened on the pitch the whole experience of going got worse and worse

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    Some proper old-school opinons on here that I haven't heard for a while - This Is England 86!! I appreciate the modern game has gone money-mad, that's why record numbers are going back to watching non-league, including me.

    Doesn't mean I'm not gona enjoy a big tournament like Euro 2016 for what it is, fun + football + holiday + meet some people from loads of different countries + 3 games of football to watch each day either in the stadiums or in the bars round and about. It's a festival to enjoy, what's the point being so negative about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacingJim View Post
    Some proper old-school opinons on here that I haven't heard for a while - This Is England 86!! I appreciate the modern game has gone money-mad, that's why record numbers are going back to watching non-league, including me.

    Doesn't mean I'm not gona enjoy a big tournament like Euro 2016 for what it is, fun + football + holiday + meet some people from loads of different countries + 3 games of football to watch each day either in the stadiums or in the bars round and about. It's a festival to enjoy, what's the point being so negative about it?
    who said you wont enjoy it? Not me, that's for sure. All I've said is what I hate about modern football and most modern england football fans. i will watch all the games as i said in my first post, england ones in the pub, but with my mates, not the jester hat brigade i have nothing in common with

    i prefer watching england away at cricket for my sporting fix now. couldnt care less either what people think about that so find it funny people are actually bothered whether Id like watching england play football or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    are you going to watch any specific events or do you just like the olympics in general?

    loved watching all the different events on the tv when london was. no idea if you're in the UK or not but the bbc put about 30 channels on to show almost all the events

    It's been one of my childhood dream to attend the Olympics and I'm finally able to do it. So for me the experience of watching it in person verses on TV will be unparalleled.

    In terms of events, I'll attend all the athletics events, as well as beach volleyball, basketball, maybe boxing, swimming, indoor volleyball, diving, tennis, and possibly gymnastics.

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    @Gooner

    I referred to football in general. Teams like Man City, Chelsea, Paris St. Germain... i lost my interest in watching them. Same thing for struggling teams in the right part of the ranking that have a almost complete new team every year. I don't like it.

    I was used to be in a football stadium twice a week and watch also matches on TV. Now I rarely go. If I go, I go somewhere around here, to teams I sponsor. Local teams with local people, playing somewhere in a lower division, receiving some money under the table if they win, having a derby almost every weekend, etc. Years ago I didn't see the fun of this, but now I do. Sometimes it doesn't even look like football, but they fight for what they're worth. I prefer that instead of some wannabe popstars that just care about diving and who has the most tattoos.

    I do understand a professional football team is a business, but they way things are developing nowadays I do not like. At least this tournament is in a country where football is populair and played at a reasonable level. 2022 the World Cup will be in Qatar, a team that even with some Brazilians they gave a passport is not able to qualify for any World Cup they do not organize by themself. Football a business also means that smaller teams stop or decrease youth development, because it's a cost. And fans are seen as idiots that bother. Sooner or later it will also affect the highest level.

    This even, I will watch in on TV, perhaps in a pub, but not dressed like a clown.
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    There is a certain irony/double standards, about gambling affiliates moaning about the commercialisation of the modern game. You can moan about it or you could enjoy it while it lasts and stop being ungrateful that the world changed and you got an opportunity to change your life, maybe? Sports betting is one of the main benefactors from a commercialised, slick, well-promoted product like the Premier League.

    Were the good old days better, was it better when your dad/grandad was a low waged worker or a builder or working in the pits cos that's what many 'working class' men had to do and there weren't many opportunities? Or is it better that we live in a modern society, where people have been able to get educated, where markets have been opened up to allow competition and growth and where men don't have to walk round proving they are a 'real man' every 5 minutes? Basically you are just moaning about the 'way the world has gone' when you are in fact some of the main beneficiaries of this. Do you think your dad/grandad had the opportunity to go to other countries so cheaply, you're moaning about the 'working class' thing but now air travel is cheap, hotels/hostels are plentiful, it's much more accessible now than it ever has been to go to a major tournament like this and watch it.

    I'm gona go Euro 2016 and embrace it, I love meeting new people from around the world, I love the atmosphere at these big tournies, I don't wana spend it sat in a crap English pub with 6 mates shouting at the screen and moaning about how **** everything has become. And I most definitely won't be 'following England around' while I'm there, I'll be watching whatever matches I get tickets for and enjoying the football. In the words of Alan Pardew:


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    I don't mind modern things. Or the modern game.

    I'm just saying a person who attends major tournaments is a special breed of a football fan, one very casually related to football at all. It's about selfies, getting seen on TV because you got the funniest hat, and generally enjoying yourself. Not supporting the team. I know those people in person. They just spring up once every 2 years.

    These people believe a team hat makes an team fan. It ain't that simple in any walk of life.

    I don't think a construction worker is any more "real" than a surgeon or a lawyer. But I think someone who puts on a new tool belt and immediately assumes the persona of a construction worker is an asshole, and an insult to people who are actually doing it for a living.

    And that's the case here. Wannabe fans who haven't been there for the team when the team needed them the most. Yet they claim to be fans.

    Am I old school because I like people who are true to themselves? I don't think so. If you claim to be a fan - fine, be one. Be one in bloody November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacingJim View Post
    There is a certain irony/double standards, about gambling affiliates moaning about the commercialisation of the modern game. You can moan about it or you could enjoy it while it lasts and stop being ungrateful that the world changed and you got an opportunity to change your life, maybe? Sports betting is one of the main benefactors from a commercialised, slick, well-promoted product like the Premier League.

    Were the good old days better, was it better when your dad/grandad was a low waged worker or a builder or working in the pits cos that's what many 'working class' men had to do and there weren't many opportunities? Or is it better that we live in a modern society, where people have been able to get educated, where markets have been opened up to allow competition and growth and where men don't have to walk round proving they are a 'real man' every 5 minutes? Basically you are just moaning about the 'way the world has gone' when you are in fact some of the main beneficiaries of this. Do you think your dad/grandad had the opportunity to go to other countries so cheaply, you're moaning about the 'working class' thing but now air travel is cheap, hotels/hostels are plentiful, it's much more accessible now than it ever has been to go to a major tournament like this and watch it.

    I'm gona go Euro 2016 and embrace it, I love meeting new people from around the world, I love the atmosphere at these big tournies, I don't wana spend it sat in a crap English pub with 6 mates shouting at the screen and moaning about how **** everything has become. And I most definitely won't be 'following England around' while I'm there, I'll be watching whatever matches I get tickets for and enjoying the football. In the words of Alan Pardew:

    wow, just wow. that is one mouthy rant. think you know me? want to challange what I have said on the this thread, introduce your self to me at LAC and tell me to my face I aint allowed an opinion. ******* mug.
    you've brought my dad and grandad into something that is my opinion, looking forward to seeing you justify that

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