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    Angry Aspire Affiliates - Manipulating statistics?

    I have some problems with Aspire Affiliates. I suspect them from manipulating the statistics. Who supports this story?

    In march 2012 when I started my first gambling affiliate website I also started promoting Grandgames, a website that has its affiliate program with Aspire Affiliates. I got a Revshare deal with them of 25%. In 2012 the website was new and I 15 effective depositing players with them and a total commission of $600. Till September everything was pretty normal and I was paid out like normal.
    The last 3 months of 2012 I only had a commission of $15 each month and a total of 5 new depositors. In December I asked my affiliate manager what was going on that the commission was so low those last months. Answer: "Bad luck but it will get better again. Lets make a new deal, you promote us more and you get a revshare or 50% for 3 months". So I started promoting them more and I got more registrations.
    January 2013, the month was going great, I had a total commission around 4000 EUR during the month. But almost at the end of the month on 28 January the commission went from +4000 to -6900! And guess what, they have a negative carry over. I didn't even know this, I never had a negative balance before. So February started with -6900 commission or a netgaming of -13800 EUR. I had already arranged a meeting with my affiliate manager on the LAC so I planned to discuss it there.

    At the LAC I had a meeting with my affiliate manager. I told her what happened and she said that she saw it. I had bad luck! I discussed with her that it was impossible. From +4000 to -6900 in commission so a player won 10900 x 2 (the 50%) = 21800 EUR. He must be a very lucky player.
    I asked her a few times to do something about it, even at one of the parties when I saw her. But she kept saying she couldn't change anything, I just had bad luck. But she would ask her manager when she got back to Israel.

    After the LAC we kept discussing. She couldn't put my balance back to 0. The only deal they could offer me was a additional €250 for every article I made for them on my website. So I had to make about 28 articles on my website, in other words: spam my website full of grandgames articles.
    I didn't accept this deal and said I wouldn't promote them anymore. So I removed all their banners from my website. Only inside the review for grandgames I kept my affiliate links to grandgames.

    From February till June I had 2 new depositors from the links inside the review. And the commission went from -6900 to -5000.
    My affiliate manager contacted me that they didn't like it that I didn't promote them anymore. Her manager would like to meet me at the AAC.
    In Amsterdam I met with Aspire Affiliates. We came to the agreement that they would set the balance to 0 and a higher commission structure. In return I put their banner back on my websites (Belgium and Denmark) and do 1 post a week for 3 months.

    This month I started with the fresh balance of 0. I placed the banner for Grandgames in Belgium and Dansk777 in Denmark and did some posts. Till now I have 1 effective depositing players in Belgium and none in Denmark. The netgaming started growing till 100EUR. But then it went to -500 EUR.
    Bad luck again?! But guess what, the negative netgaming of -1000 was on my Danish tracker. I NEVER had a effective depositor in Denmark. So I contacted my affiliate manager that it is not possible that I have a negative commission on the Danish tracker because I never had a depositing player in Denmark.
    She tells me that it is a player that was already registered on a other website in the neogames network, those games don't get counted in the effective depositors statistics. And she refers to their terms: "A “New Player” shall mean an Internet user without a prior account with any of the websites operated by NeoPoint".

    But this is not all. I was talking with one of my other affiliate mangers from a other website. I spoke with him about this matter and he told me that someone else told him the same kind of story but he wasn't sure. He would ask it again. Now he confirmed me, the other affiliate had the same problem with Aspire Affiliates. Suddenly he also had a huge negative balance.

    I don't believe Aspire Affiliates anymore. I think they are a fraud.

    What is your opinion? Can we do anything to stop Aspire Affiliates from doing this?

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    Nobody has a opinion about this?

    Is anyone working with Aspire Affiliates? How do you like them?

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    I honestly think that you can easily have a player win 20k.

    Beyond that, it does seem like they should have been a little more willing to work with you possibly ring-fencing the big winner, but not everyone is willing to do that.

    In the end they did zero the big negative so they were trying to bring you back into the fold.

    The bit with the Danish player, well as long as they would have paid on positive revenue on that player, to me that shows that they are tracking players even from possibly a cross-promotion maybe?

    I do not personally work with Aspire, sorry I can't offer more.

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    I had a meeting with the new manager. We had a misunderstanding but it is solved now.

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