Be aware! Spilleren affiliates now becoming Balder affiliates

[Mikew]

I received an email yesterday from balder affiliates without any name signed of the manager. Email below.

I promoted last year for a month spilleren casino and they never paid me my earnings and never replied to my emails.
Now they are trying to have me promote again their casinos by saying, "its a new management" so everything is fine but they don't care about what happened in the past or unpaid affiliates. Beware.

Dear xxxxx,

We would like to inform all affiliates associated with Spilleren that the affiliate program has now been closed and that Sportster Ltd is no longer responsible for managing the program. This statement applies to both the Vikingheim and Spilleren websites.

The good news, however is that we, Balder Affiliates have now taken over the management of the websites as well as the affiliates program and this is effective from 1 April 2018.
We would like to propose, as per the list below, our new affiliate program to you and all our affiliates which revolves around building a profitable working relationship for all parties involved:

1. New interesting deals
2. Exclusive promotions
3. Co-branded Marketing materials
4. High retention rates
5. Real time statistics
6. Prompted payments
7. Lifetime commissions
8. New efficient ways of communication
9. Minimal withdrawal commission amount
10. Dedicated affiliate management team

For more information, please contact our team on skype Balder Affiliates or you could send us an email.


Many thanks,
Balder Affiliates

[BBCasinos]

Still owe me money also.
Always bad communication with Spilleren team.
Kinda lost my trust in them.

[BalderAffiliates]

Good day to everyone,
We would like to clarify the created situation with spilleren affiliates and balder affiliates.
Since Balder Affiliates have taken over the management of the websites as well as the affiliates program from the 1st of April, the commission will be paid from the 1st of April from our side.
We do understand the situation that was created, but we are not responsible for the commission before the mentioned date.
But we can assure you, that all the payments starting from the 1st of April will be paid without any delays. Please note that Balder Affiliates are not the Spilleren, it is a completely new management and company, we have nothing to deal with the old owners.
You can contact our affiliate manager by skype irishka_iasnogor , Balder Affiliates


Kind Regards,

[alexcorsa]

We have a horrible experience with Spilleren Affiliates, they do not pay any commission and also do not reply to email for many months
We just gave up on them.

[BalderAffiliates]

Hello,

I do understand that you are concerned about the commission that Spilleren affiliates didn`t paid. But, please note, that the company itself was bought from the 1st of april, and now it is Balder Affiliates. The commission is paid from the 1st of april, and you can check with other affiliates we are working with, that from the mentioned date, they received the commission. Also, we are coming with exclusive promotions, marketing materials and dedicated affiliate manager.
Please contact us on partners {@} balderaffiliates . com so we can have a chat.

Regards,

[BalderAffiliates]

Hello,

I do understand that you are concerned about the commission that Spilleren affiliates didn`t paid. But, please note, that the company itself was bought from the 1st of april, and now it is Balder Affiliates. The commission is paid from the 1st of april, and you can check with other affiliates we are working with, that from the mentioned date, they received the commission. Also, we are coming with exclusive promotions, marketing materials and dedicated affiliate manager.
Please contact us on partners {@} balderaffiliates . com so we can have a chat.

Regards,

[Triple7]

When you buy a company, you also buy their obligations. Hence, pay everyone their commission of before the 1st of April.

[BalderAffiliates]

Hello Triple7,

Just to be clear, the company was bought without any debts. Should you have any questions regarding the commission before the 1st of April, please contact the old owners.
Affiliates that are working with BalderAffiliates are paid on the 15th date of every month for the period from the 1st of April.

Regards,

[vardan]

Hello Triple7,

Just to be clear, the company was bought without any debts. Should you have any questions regarding the commission before the 1st of April, please contact the old owners.
Affiliates that are working with BalderAffiliates are paid on the 15th date of every month for the period from the 1st of April.

Regards,

It seems to me that you are not much worried for the reputation of your future business. Without any doubts the question about debts was on the table during the negotiations and what the both parties have decided means that you, as Balder Affiliates, can do the same in the future. There are so many schemes how to restructure the debts... The most important part between the programs and affiliates is trust, when you lose it once, it's almost impossible to recover it again.

[BalderAffiliates]

We are not responsible for what was before the 1st of April. Balder Affiliates is paying the commission to it`s affiliates. The trust was lost between affiliates and old owners, not between affiliates and Balder affiliates. It is a new company that is not responsible for old company`s debts.

Regards,

[Triple7]

It seems to me that you are not much worried for the reputation of your future business. Without any doubts the question about debts was on the table during the negotiations and what the both parties have decided means that you, as Balder Affiliates, can do the same in the future. There are so many schemes how to restructure the debts... The most important part between the programs and affiliates is trust, when you lose it once, it's almost impossible to recover it again.

Not too much worried is an understatement. It seems to me he simply doesn't care about it.

For me a reason to not work with them. The whole Spilleren history plus this statements here...

[Roulette Zeitung]

It seems to me that you are not much worried for the reputation of your future business. Without any doubts the question about debts was on the table during the negotiations and what the both parties have decided means that you, as Balder Affiliates, can do the same in the future. There are so many schemes how to restructure the debts... The most important part between the programs and affiliates is trust, when you lose it once, it's almost impossible to recover it again.

Not too much worried is an understatement. It seems to me he simply doesn't care about it.

For me a reason to not work with them. The whole Spilleren history plus this statements here...

Right.
Balder Affiliates.
Short of money and so they cannot pay the debts of Spilleren.
This was also part of the purchase obviously.

They still using the Spilleren brand, but again: Short of money from the first day.
They are so incompetent, they not even have any terms on their website.
At least I didn't found any.
Do you?

If you sign-up then you have to agree to terms, which will be written later on the website?
The terms will depend on how short of money they are in a few weeks?
And they will be short of money, because it's a public relation disaster from the very first day.

The representative acts like a lalala chat robot and says again, again, and again, that everything, which was before 1. April is no longer of interest for them, and all the cheated webmasters should do as if nothing bad happened to their wallets and continue with Balder Affiliates, because they really believe, the cheated webmasters are complete idiots.

My opinion on Balder Affiliates? They put all of their pocket money from the last decades together to buy this company, but please, don't ask for the past, because otherwise it's too expensive and some of the Balder Boys have to go back to Mommy to live there.

Leopold

[Mikew]

These guys seem to think that by saying "we are a new management" that we will all fall for it.
1 year after they will stop paying affiliates and we will receive again emails from xxx affiliates saying "we are a new management" So clever

As far as I am concern Balder affiliates or spilleren is exactly the same.
Who is the company or owner of balder and its casino?
Couldn't find these info anywhere, just that they run under everymatrix. And the latter never care when we contacted them regarding the issue of spilleren. So even balder as they run under everymatrix is a guarantee to be free from trouble when they will screw up affiliates.


If they were smart they would have paid all previous affiliates, that would have ensure them getting back on board all the previous guys and have their brands making more money.

In my opinion they dont give a damn about what happened when they bought the sites "that's if I believe they did, which I dont.
An advice. Stay away from them.

[Moonlight Cat]

Just to be clear, the company was bought without any debts.

You think this is the forum of mental ill people? You think we don't understand your dirty tricks? You try to cutt off affiliates from they players.

[vardan]

We are not responsible for what was before the 1st of April. Balder Affiliates is paying the commission to it`s affiliates. The trust was lost between affiliates and old owners, not between affiliates and Balder affiliates. It is a new company that is not responsible for old company`s debts.

Regards,

Whether you want or not, you bought the company with "debts". On the paper you don't have any obligations to affilietes joined to the previous owners but in reality, denying the issue you are only increasing your problems with affiliates. I guess you have analyzed the situation well, because it may become crucial for your new and without debt company.

[alexcorsa]

This is really funny, the person buys a company that is in debit with several affiliates and comes to one of the best forums to say that he is not responsible for the debt of the old company and still take the opportunity to promote his "new brand" to the same people who were deceived by the "old company"
Laughing a lot here ...

[FSB]

Buying a company means buying all its debts and credits as well as all its obligations towards stakeholders. This is a very common and general rule across the globe. Just clear example: you have a loan in one bank, and this bank was taken over by another bank, you still owe money!

[vardan]

Buying a company means buying all its debts and credits as well as all its obligations towards stakeholders. This is a very common and general rule across the globe. Just clear example: you have a loan in one bank, and this bank was taken over by another bank, you still owe money!

And vice versa, I doubt that the new owners will notify the clients that they’re not going to pay the interests for the money in bank since the times of the previous owners.

[TheGhost]

How do you buy a company that have debt and remove them? do you have any link for a source of that?

If you really have that kind of moral, what is it not to say that there will be a change of owner in 6 months, and the debt will go away again?

[AussieDave]

This is really funny, the person buys a company that is in debit with several affiliates and comes to one of the best forums to say that he is not responsible for the debt of the old company and still take the opportunity to promote his "new brand" to the same people who were deceived by the "old company" Laughing a lot here ...

IKR... Treating affiliates like 'idiots wrapped in morons'... Yeah that will get heaps of people signing up

As far as the "new management" statement, well that seems highly doubtful. The new owners seems just as dismissive, and non accountable, as the last crooks who ran this gig.

The correct move would have been (if in fact you are new management), as soon as you were told that past affiliates were STILL owed commissions, was to have a meeting with the owners et al, and work to get these affiliates paid. At that point, you'd have not only secured trust in those affiliates, but also many others, and very likely gained a lot of new one's too.

However, taking the stance on no-payment for past owed debts (regardless of anything you own the casino/program now), you've effectively shoot yourselves in the foot, before even getting started. (regardless of the aff forum, bad news travels fast) You might like to ponder that for a while...

Maybe the light will switch on, in that, it would be highly beneficial for the "new management" to honor and pay past debts to affiliates. Instead of continuing with the speak-to-the-hand statements

Edit:
I find it extremely odd (bizarre) that you send out a mailer to said past affiliates, yet you have no record of owed debts for these affiliates. Sounds a bit too much like someone didn't think this 'plan' out too well. Someone definitely out-smarted themselves here.

What a wicked web we weave, when we try to deceive!