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    a certain affiliate watchdog (cap?) did not take up GP's offer to explain the situation properly, hence GP are being judged too harshly (erroneously?).
    I believe Grand Prive canceled the meeting they were supposed to have in London; not the other way around. Then Grand Prive apparently told CAP, "feel free to come to South Africa to discuss the issue."

    If there is more to the story, then Andrew Beveridge and the Grand Prive owners should share this with everyone.

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    This is all a bunch of bullshit, the only difference between the two is who is shoveling it more.

    Give me a break, i seem to be understanding that ecogra is saying that all this was in the terms and conditions of our contract agreement with GP? And that they have done nothing wrong?

    Now i wonder who is lining who's pockets?

    This is going no where, and something drastic has to happen or it will never be resolved, and we as affiliates will never get money due, because if i read this correctly, GP is claiming that they are not collecting monies from our old players? that when they dumped us, they dumped our players too?

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    Well maybe if GP had not partnered with CAP events may have been different. Unfortunately CAP and GP decided to seduce each other, line both their pockets. For the rest well…I suppose we are all road kill except for a few.

    Ecogra is a joke, a regulatory body that regulates themselves. What kind of non-sense is this? If Ecogra thinks there is nothing wrong with this picture they belong on a Pirate Ship. Ecogra suggests we do not understand the facts. Well of course not who would? I don’t even understand Ecogra never mind the GP issue.

    The way I understand this BS is that GP joined CAP for one purpose, SEDUCTION. Pay the CAP certification fees host a huge party in Miami 2006 use affs to build a player base. Wait awhile and throw the affiliates overboard.

    Not making money of our old players B.S. Never mind I don’t think all affs were cut off.

    GP being too harshly WHAT A JOKE!

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    I have heard this eluded to the fact that the aff program is separate from the casinos.

    Assuming that is true then it stands to reason the aff program is making a share or % same as any of us ... in fact their bottom line is dependent upon what we make so there's no way they'd choose to end the program in respect to money already earned.

    They might even shut down the website so the affs couldn't see their stats but there's no way they'd stop accepting the residual income they had coming and as such no affiliate should have lost theirs.

    Who steps up one day and says "I don't want the money coming in every month that I've already earned. And while you're at it ... screw all the affiliates I have signed up under me too".
    .......

    What shocks me isn't the fact that eCOGRA has been its usual impotent self .... its that MGS hasn't stepped up.

    I don't know about everybody else but that rocks my world and not in a good way.

    Up until this ... MGS has always taken the high road. Hell they're ... or at least were .... the gold standard.

    I had no problem promoting MGS casinos because I knew that .... or was in the line of thinking that MGS could always be counted on to see that the casinos did the right thing.

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    Exactly Steve. Where is Microgaming??? Ignoring this is not something a reputable company would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bb1web View Post
    I have heard this eluded to the fact that the aff program is separate from the casinos.

    Assuming that is true then it stands to reason the aff program is making a share or % same as any of us ... in fact their bottom line is dependent upon what we make so there's no way they'd choose to end the program in respect to money already earned.

    They might even shut down the website so the affs couldn't see their stats but there's no way they'd stop accepting the residual income they had coming and as such no affiliate should have lost theirs.

    Who steps up one day and says "I don't want the money coming in every month that I've already earned. And while you're at it ... screw all the affiliates I have signed up under me too".
    .......

    What shocks me isn't the fact that eCOGRA has been its usual impotent self .... its that MGS hasn't stepped up.

    I don't know about everybody else but that rocks my world and not in a good way.

    Up until this ... MGS has always taken the high road. Hell they're ... or at least were .... the gold standard.

    I had no problem promoting MGS casinos because I knew that .... or was in the line of thinking that MGS could always be counted on to see that the casinos did the right thing.

    No more.


    You are right about Microgaming. I feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bb1web View Post
    What shocks me isn't the fact that eCOGRA has been its usual impotent self .... its that MGS hasn't stepped up.

    I don't know about everybody else but that rocks my world and not in a good way.

    Up until this ... MGS has always taken the high road. Hell they're ... or at least were .... the gold standard.

    I had no problem promoting MGS casinos because I knew that .... or was in the line of thinking that MGS could always be counted on to see that the casinos did the right thing.

    No more.


    Microgaming's silence about this has not sat well with me from the get go. I feel the same way as you about MGS. That up until now, I always felt confident in any MGS casino/program, that players and affiliates would always be paid anything they had coming to them. And that MGS was the gold standard.

    And as you said........ No more.

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    I am so happy to see how this thread has developed.


    Be ready for tomorrow's Perspectives Weekly, as I am really driving home the complete lack of responsibility and total hypocricy of Microgaming in this situation.


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    I hope you all enjoy the show!
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    In going forward I have few important questions. Okay so Grand Prive closed down their affiliate program. I would assume therefore there is no aff program and links current or not should not work, correct?

    If this is correct what if an few aff links are currently working through Grand Prive.

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    Okay maybe I am making no sense so I will rephrase.

    Why is there an abundance of affiliate tags directing to properties Grand Prive used to or still does manage or own.

    The question is important in adding content to my Grand Prive rogue pages.

    Anyone?

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    Exactly Greek! I brought this up over at GAP, and i am really furious over the fact that i do believe, their Affiliate Program is still alive and well and excepting affiliates. But they "said they were closing the usa side of their program, but just the other day, i was able to proceed like i was signing up with them, i stopped before i submitted my info, because i didn't want to actually go through with it, just wanted to see if it would stop me, which it did not. So, does this mean they are actually still active, and this is just another out right lie, and they just dumped us old and accomplished affilates with their programs, so they could start newer and "cheaper" affiliate program with new aff.??

    I am so freaking confused right now i think i need a damn qualude!

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    I am so freaking confused right now i think i need a damn qualude!
    So am I been poking around this issue for the last three days. Questions and lots of them,

    1. Did GP really close down their aff program to everyone?
    2. Did a supper affiliate reap the rewards of the U.S player base?
    3. What the hell is an affiliate still promoting Grand Bay off the Kwanakee Reserve?


    Would be nice to know.

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    Interesting find, Greek.

    I looked around a bit, and I found an affiliate site that is still promoting Bella Vegas.

    xhttp://www.onlineslotsfinder.com/microgaming-casinos.htm

    On that page, the link for Bella Vegas looks like this:

    xhttp://www.bellavegas.com/en/default.aspx?lang=en&redir=true&btag=el239995_aff_ A=215_T=4_I=3_C=485&banner_tag=el239995_aff_a=215_ t=4_i=3_c=485

    On another site (xhttp://www.all-casino-bonuses.com/database/info/Bella-Vegas-Casino.htm), this is what the Bella Vegas link looks like:

    xhttp://www.grandpriveaffiliates.com/MediaRecorder.aspx?BTag=we659249_aff_A=60_T=1_I=47 5_C=158

    The grandpriveaffiliates.com link does not work. Apparently all-casino-bonuses.com hasn't gotten around to removing the links yet.

    My question: Is the first link up there a new link, i.e. post-Grand Prive Affiliates, or is it a really old link, back from when Referspot was the affiliate program?

    If it is an old Referspot link, then this particular example doesn't mean anything except that the owner of onlineslotsfinder.com is way behind on updating his links.

    But if the tracking link is a new format -- not Referspot and not Grand Prive -- then it means that certain affiliates are still earning revenue from these casinos. In which case... WTF?

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    then it means that certain affiliates are still earning revenue from these casinos. In which case... WTF?
    I suspect so but unsure whether to post the affiliate links in case I am wrong. But feel I must to better understand this Grand Prive mess.

    If a offend a member here I am sorry.

    Posting only two aff links

    xhttp://www.casinograndbay.com/en/default.aspx?redir=true&lang=en&btag=GP0902LINDM01 A

    xhttp://www.bellavegas.com/en/default.aspx?redir=true&lang=en&btag=GP0902LINDM01 A

    Both links taken from two different sites.

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    So GrandPrive's affiliate program still breathing huh? After all some of the blacklisted and rogue listing and bad reputation spread. Must warn the players then directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raphnix View Post
    So GrandPrive's affiliate program still breathing huh? After all some of the blacklisted and rogue listing and bad reputation spread. Must warn the players then directly.
    Must be breathing somewhere I assume. Under a different domain perhaps or maybe the casinos themselves are tracking these affiliates. But I am pretty sure some affiliates are still conducting business with them somehow.

    On our blacklists we should be anchor texting their keywords and description meta tags for each brand of casino.

    EG. Bella Vegas

    Keywords-

    Bella Vegas Online Casino, Make Winning Beautiful, Bellavegas Casino, Bella Online, etc..

    Bella Vegas - Rouged and hit the **** pile Bella Vegas Online Casino.

    maybe something like it, just a thought.
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    The rumour was that not all affiliates were affected by the Grand Prive aff shutdown.

    No proof has surfaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    I looked around a bit, and I found an affiliate site that is still promoting Bella Vegas.

    xhttp://www.onlineslotsfinder.com/microgaming-casinos.htm

    On that page, the link for Bella Vegas looks like this:

    xhttp://www.bellavegas.com/en/default.aspx?lang=en&redir=true&btag=el239995_aff_ A=215_T=4_I=3_C=485&banner_tag=el239995_aff_a=215_ t=4_i=3_c=485

    (((removed mention of second site to consolidate space)))

    My question: Is the first link up there a new link, i.e. post-Grand Prive Affiliates, or is it a really old link, back from when Referspot was the affiliate program?

    If it is an old Referspot link, then this particular example doesn't mean anything except that the owner of onlineslotsfinder.com is way behind on updating his links.

    But if the tracking link is a new format -- not Referspot and not Grand Prive -- then it means that certain affiliates are still earning revenue from these casinos. In which case... WTF?
    I compared the Bella Vegas link you posted to what is recorded for the earliest web.archive.org entry covering onlineslotsfinder.com/microgaming-casinos.htm. The only difference between the current Bella Vegas link and the one showing up in the archive entry (25 March 2006) is the addition of "&redirect=true" so to me this example looks like an older link rather than a new format.
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    Certainly agree with your findings CityGuard I suspected perhaps an old link. What is troublesome is Grand Prive did not ditch all their affiliates. Some affs are still earning to what extent, how, and why?

    For those 99% of affs locked out of the program and earnings past, present and, future confiscated is very dirty IMO. I recorded a few sites and it clearly shows there is affs on the Grand Prive payroll. I am hesitant posting them because I would rather not deal with the fallout.

    An assumption, maybe the player base many affiliates built up over the years was handed over to scum affiliates. This whole Grand Prive is really starting to bother me. I dumped them eons ago but this cannot erase the stench I feel towards them. Why would affiliates still deal with brands who are reckless thieves is beyond comprehension.

    A few of these affs are GPWA members to boot.

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