BestPay Partners - Pre pay disagreement (closed)

[BestPay Partners]

what the hell are you talking there, can't you see that you have problems across everywhere...
1.There was no policy with you.
2.Your stats ARE NOT WORKING!
3.You are talking rubbish, I said i will put you up on my site, this does not mean PUSHING YOU! I used my resources and haven't seen PROPER STATS.
4. Your Room compared to other Rival Casino its from Hell to Heaven
5. Mobile traffic Is new and YES I DO HAVE IT - BUT NEVER SENT IT TO YOU. NEVER INTENDED and NEVER WILL DO IT, ...
6. I Cannot validate - IT'S not my system it's yours ... BUT I CAN COMPARE - so it's the same thing

anyway whatever - i'm getting tired with you ...
What I do like is this and it's really funny i bet 8 in 10 people who see how you comment will laugh on the end.
People : LOOK THERE : WE ARE THE BEST PROGRAM EVER ! OMG - THEY ARE KEEP SAYING THAT and not only here ! man stop the bullshit with me .... FIX YOUR AFFILIATE STATS!



I am telling you - you are the worst partner i ever met really! your room is banned from many affiliate portals and believe me you will be putted on the black list here too. GPWA will be forced to act or it will be bad for them too if they allow Programs like you staying alive. You have problems across everywhere... in the past month everybody is on your head, stop selling me things like the best program on the net. waste of time ... really.

1.There was no policy with you.
=> As Affiliate of our Affiliate program you not just got the right to take pre-payments but also got obligations, which are clearly stated in our terms and conditions: http://www.bestpaypartners.com/terms_conditions#terms_7

2.Your stats ARE NOT WORKING!
=> Our stats are working great
=> Here are your total stats during 5 months campaign time we gave to you
=> You brought in during 5 months: 13 fun players and not one single real player!


3.You are talking rubbish, I said i will put you up on my site, this does not mean PUSHING YOU! I used my resources and haven't seen PROPER STATS.
=> Its ok if you got no traffic, can happen, but my/our point is here that you cannot take pre payment if you are not sure you cannot deliver.

4. Your Room compared to other Rival Casino its from Hell to Heaven
=> I respect your personal/private opinion here, still i do not understand it, since you received from us the 400$ pre payment!

5. Mobile traffic Is new and YES I DO HAVE IT - BUT NEVER SENT IT TO YOU. NEVER INTENDED and NEVER WILL DO IT, ...
=> Whatever it was, as the above stats of you pretty clear show, it was nothing that our support or retention team could ever get a chance to work on, since there was not a single Real Player coming from your end during 5 months time.

6. I Cannot validate - IT'S not my system it's yours ... BUT I CAN COMPARE - so it's the same thing
=> I am happy for you, if your traffic works for other operators.
=> My intention here is to make clear that no operator has to accept this kind of behavior of an Affiliate, especially not, if the affiliate is threatening with personal threats against employees and established brands (as the below skype conversation with you shows).

[-Shay-]

Just saying here - Programs often do one off listing fees despite stating something about not doing prepayments in their terms.

Implied out of context/not in full context threats aside (from both parties, mind you), the OP claims to have an invoice detailing a marketing/listing fee. Do you have an invoice showing it is a prepayment?

Note: Haven't seen his invoice, just saw his mention in one of his posts. Thus, not claiming it even exists (nor that it does not)

[tehsik]

thank you for posting the screenshot, so this shows how the campaign didn't worked....
so when i made the test send they got that and after i started to send mass mailers ... i got nothing .. not even clicks.. this shows me and people that there is something WRONG with your stats.

What i want to mention again is that - YOUR STATS ARE CRAP - NOT WORKING AND MANIPULATED! - why a room keeps asking send more mailers ? when i see no results, that something is wrong and is not working why?
Perhaps i should send mailers to all the mailers I have for the people too see , and oh yes you will have a section on my site - and i will strongly point people on those pages as soon as i come back, oh and it will be social as well , lets see the Impact after that ... lets wait 2 -3 months ... and see ... and yes i promised you a fight , nobody make threats on my address.

Oh btw a good program does not keep saying we are a good program all the time as you are saying it on every single post, you are the worst program i met LOL. Your affiliate program is blacklisted on many other websites and I do not really understand why your affiliate program is still alive on this forum and GPWA. i cannot put links here to other casino affiliate programs but your ROOM stinks!
Just google people - google and see how many complains this affiliate program has .

oh btw stop saying we are the best affiliate program on your next post.... thanks )))

[tehsik]

oh btw , what does that mean " do you know who i am " Mr John Stern , why don't you explain that ? is that not a threat on my address ? when you said that u just made me go mad really!

i don't give a **** and as posted on the skype picture, it shows there that i do make threats as well, at least i admit it and not hiding it ...

you make me laugh )))))

[premiergaming]

thank you for posting the screenshot, so this shows how the campaign didn't worked....
so when i made the test send they got that and after i started to send mass mailers ... i got nothing .. not even clicks.. this shows me and people that there is something WRONG with your stats.

What i want to mention again is that - YOUR STATS ARE CRAP - NOT WORKING AND MANIPULATED! - why a room keeps asking send more mailers ? when i see no results, that something is wrong and is not working why?
Perhaps i should send mailers to all the mailers I have for the people too see , and oh yes you will have a section on my site - and i will strongly point people on those pages as soon as i come back, oh and it will be social as well , lets see the Impact after that ... lets wait 2 -3 months ... and see ... and yes i promised you a fight , nobody make threats on my address.

Oh btw a good program does not keep saying we are a good program all the time as you are saying it on every single post, you are the worst program i met LOL. Your affiliate program is blacklisted on many other websites and I do not really understand why your affiliate program is still alive on this forum and GPWA. i cannot put links here to other casino affiliate programs but your ROOM stinks!
Just google people - google and see how many complains this affiliate program has .

oh btw stop saying we are the best affiliate program on your next post.... thanks )))

You state that there Affiliate program stinks and has many complaints. A Affiliate does his/her research before advertising any program or brand. So if this program is so bad as you say why did you accept a Pre Payment from BPP? . Also if i search these guys on Google i see nothing but good reviews. there Stats must be working as they have picked up your fun players. Maybe this is a case of a campaign that just did't work. And i can assure you every Affiliate has this happen many times. I have them every week. Also about your Mailing list. Is it the same mailing list every time? Maybe your mailing list needs renewing as your customers are satisfied as the Casino you have already sent them to? To cut it short here. Best Pay Partners put there trust in you in sending you $400 to deliver Players and sadly in this case you haven't. It happens..

[tehsik]

mailers are ok, don't worry and yes i do get new lists all the time and most of them are casino targeted, we couldn't get even clicks on this program from the mailers - which is totally weird, actually it's the first program when it happens to me, but on that time i wasn't worried cause we were very busy ... so you can understand whatever you want from this, i will not explain it to you how do i do it or whatever i do but understand and see, and also I will not teach you how to use google to find things on it - no time for this, but i will give you a good advice - search the other big affiliate program forums and you willl see much more and again i cannot put the other forums here cause is not right to this forum, but open your eyes and don't focus on a single forum, and yes try to dig more on this and keep your stuff away from this program

[premiergaming]

Sorry i think you miss understood me there. Im not looking for any lessons on how to search Google or gain a Mailing list. Would you mind PM in me these Forums so i can check this out for my self?

[-Shay-]

Stewart, the OP's claim is that he was paid a marketing fee, not a pre-payment. Also claims there is an invoice to back up said claim.

The AM who responded claims that it was a pre-payment.

Just wanted to clear that up.

[tehsik]

pm sent,

[tehsik]

whatever it was between me and them there was no refund policy, no time on how much i should keep their casinos up, and so on, and yes the deal was for listing with the promiss that i will use other marketing services as well, and i didn't liked the results, when i do not trust the stats i pull over ,and yes i stopped everything with this affiliate casino. there is no comeback policy from my side. game over!

[tehsik]

some of my replyes on this thread are deleted and this post actually is my last one here on this forum. if i cannot talk free there is no point ! oh sry my bad .... another page... i couldn't see my last posts lol ... anyway this is my last thread here ... and i will move on and support another forums where bastars are kept honest LOL!

[universal4]

Sorry, but this does not show what worked or didn't work, it just shows a lack of depositers. There are no actual traffic numbers so if there is not enough information to determine that.

Rick
Universal4

[tehsik]

that's the point ... as stated from the start for me this program was a complete waste of time. i couldn't believe what i saw and that's it. this is the whole ideea and everybody can understand whatever they want, this is my opinion about this program and that's it!

thank you and have a nice day!

[edgarf76]

Sorry i think you miss understood me there. Im not looking for any lessons on how to search Google or gain a Mailing list. Would you mind PM in me these Forums so i can check this out for my self?

You need to set up a system for you site like aweber to ask your readers to sign up, and then put out quality content to email them on a consistant basis. It is best to stay away from buying an email list, the person who gained the list most likely did so using blackhat seo. It is best not to do business with blackhat guys, if they sell other info and you give them your info. Next thing you know your info will be for sale.

[Roulette Zeitung]

Hello BestPay Partners,

ff anybody is calling your as fraud marked Swiss phone number (+41 22 508 7041), they will hear two really exited guys on the other side and one of them is Patrick.

The phone number from Israel (+972 548 044 551), the real place of the company, is only a mobile number (http://www.searchyellowbook.com/reve.../972548044551/).

It is not possible for you to rent a regular phone number from Israel or offer a toll free service like other affiliate programs e.g. Europartners, who are in Israel too, are doing this?

I can't see any advantage for a webmaster anywhere in the world to call an offshore Swiss phone number. It's expensive. The number is marked as fraud, and a Swiss Phone number without the possibility of speaking German is like swimming in a pool without water.

You have to do what you have to do, but for me it looks suspicious. Change the number, because a smart webmaster is paying attention to details.

Leopold

[premiergaming]

You need to set up a system for you site like aweber to ask your readers to sign up, and then put out quality content to email them on a consistant basis. It is best to stay away from buying an email list, the person who gained the list most likely did so using blackhat seo. It is best not to do business with blackhat guys, if they sell other info and you give them your info. Next thing you know your info will be for sale.

Sorry , Im not asking on help of how to create a Mailing list. I already know how to and have a Mailing list. I was simply asking him if It is his own list and if he is getting frequent new Email addresses which are gambling orientated.

[Zuga]

Reading through all the posts I think i speak not just for myself when saying this is being poorly handled by both sides. Threats on both sides , screaming and accusing each other won't settle this matter. Very unprofessional.

John I also don't think it is okay to publicly post stats without an explicit permission given by tehsik.

Speaking for myself now I would need to see the invoice and what was actually agreed upon in order to pass my judgement.

[tehsik]

well as far as i can see some people understand my concerns some just don't. I just came back from my holiday and i am so fresh and believe me or not i am tired of this thread already. I am the kind of guy that i'm not turning my back and so do they and I know the other side will think like that and I think on my end for my side that this thread will go nowhere. So Admin you may close this thread cause i really don't want to get involved anymore, too busy with my own things and this thread gives me more anger so .... , i'm just sick of it and tired of it ! thank you! have a nice rest of the weekend ...

[Viriatu]

Sorry, but this does not show what worked or didn't work, it just shows a lack of depositers. There are no actual traffic numbers so if there is not enough information to determine that.

Rick
Universal4

Fine and dandy, but how can the guy prove anything if he was blocked from the affiliate account?
Plus, i dont think there is nothing wrong in asking money to get listed, i always do it, i can count with ONE finger the programs that came to me with ORIGINAL content in my native language to break into my market, it just does not happen, they expect me to make materials for them, get their name out, and work my ass off just for kicks? **** no, i charge light imo... after seeing this thread i will charge more... nothing gives me the guarantee a program wont go bust or just **** me in the stats, or simply be one of those that pay a manager to get banners on front page to right and not giving a **** about conversion efforts...
Now, even in the case the contract was made like a advanced pay on depositors, and not a marketing fee, even then, i will always question the judgment of a firm that will block the affiliate from the back end stats, capping the chances of him proving anything at all, and then try to get a lousy 400 bucks.

I wont even go into the "you know who i am thing" and "you have no idea bla bla bla" its just unprofessional and kid stuff imo. I also think you, tehsik, could have done this in a all more respectful and factual manner, after all we want is the facts and nothing more, we are here not to waste each other time but to solve problems, i personaly thank you for the heads up and will walk on toe tips with tis fellows, also thanks to Leopold for being the great investigator once again. On that matter i think hiding is never a positive factor on this business... also its strange that you would ask for more of recipe that is not so tasty, food for thought...

[universal4]

I totally agree that it is ok to ask for a listing fee, or fee for the time, but any affiliate program that pays the fee without an invoice that spells out the terms when they think they are paying an advance on future commissions is just kinda silly.

Rick
Universal4