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    I have my account closed by this unpresentable.
    I want my $ 15,000 I earn each month. It's my money, not yours.
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    Over the past week and a half I have exchanged more than 20 email messages with Bestpay Partners and Driven Affiliates and participated in two extended conference calls with the ownership of Crazy Winners and Driven Affiliates.

    In the course of our communications I was consistently told “Driven Affiliates, it’s software and it’s promoted brands has no operational management connection to Bestpay Partners whatsoever.” It was acknowledged that they do know each other, and that there are some shared investors, and that the current affiliate manager of Driven Affiliates formerly worked for Bestpay Partners.

    In the course of the conversations I emphasized many times the connections that affiliates saw between the two affiliate programs, including the booth shared by the two affiliate programs at the Berlin Affiliate Conference last year and the shared affiliate manager. This always met with the same response, that Driven Affiliates has completely separate operational management, is focused entirely on the future of online gaming in legal markets, and has no involvement or control of any sites that operated otherwise. I was told that “Driven runs on a proprietary (certification pending) software platform and is currently in it’s 2nd round of funding with multiple thousands of active daily users.” I was also told they would have a booth at the upcoming Berlin Affiliate Conference, and that affiliates were invited to drop by and meet them in person at the show in their booth at stand A20.

    When I asked about Bestpay Partners, I was told “… they have indeed shut down acquisition and new deposits from jurisdictions (they) had previously serviced and (have) been doing so in stages for some time under constant pressure and threat in those jurisdictions.” And that there “… is a confirmed wrap up of operations and affiliates will continue to be dealt with on a case by case basis and at their management’s discretion according to their wind-down process.”

    Given our divergent views of what was required and appropriate, Driven Affiliates decided to request that we halt their sponsorship of the GPWA. We agreed to their request, particularly since they disclaimed any ability to control the operations of Bestpay Partners or their interaction with affiliates. Therefore, concurrently with this post, we are removing Driven Affiliates as a GPWA Sponsor Program.

    We did agree that the GPWA should continue to work to ensure the affiliates of Bestpay Partners were treated as equitably as possible. At this point in time our goal is to work with John, and him with us, to do everything in our mutual power to help ensure affiliates are paid through the time the Bestpay Partners affiliate program closed. We will also monitor the operation of the sites Bestpay Partners represented to determine the speed with which those sites are wound down. From my perspective shutting down existing affiliate relationships prior to fully winding down the associated online gaming sites was a very serious mistake. However, if the sites are rapidly wound down then I believe that is better than if the process of winding down the sites takes an extended period of time.

    The GPWA will remain in steady communication with Driven Affiliates and the management of the sites represented by Bestpay Partners with the objective of seeing that affiliates are paid. We encourage affiliates to let us know how they are progressing in receiving payment, and to ask for our assistance when it is needed. Please keep Anthony in the loop for any payment issues. Additionally, as part of facilitating continued communications with Driven Affiliates, we, like a number of other larger affiliates, currently plan to maintain an affiliate relationship with Driven Affiliates. We will reevaluate that decision in the future based on the speed with which the Bestpay Partners sites are wound down and the proper payment of affiliates by Bestpay Partners.

    It is sad to see Bestpay Partners vanish in such a fashion, and unfortunate that extended discussions with Driven Affiliates could not serve to facilitate a different outcome.

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    We have had all of this crooked program's casinos blacklisted for years now after our initial interaction with John Stern / David * and learning of the involvement of Josh *. These guys have always been shady and if anyone as an affiliate took even a casual look at the predatory terms under which players played at their casinos and still decided to work with them, well then I question their sense of responsibility and I can't say that I have much sympathy.

    But I cannot believe that you have swallowed that bullshit about winding down their casinos. They just recently bought out the entire Refilliates group. You think they bought them out just to wind down the casinos? Come on don't be so gullible. The "wind-down" story is just a smokescreen. Players will be moved around to this new affiliate program or elsewhere and these crims will continue doing what they do best. And nobody can say that they weren't warned because all you needed to do was a little research before jumping into bed with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muppet View Post
    But I cannot believe that you have swallowed that bullshit about winding down their casinos. They just recently bought out the entire Refilliates group. You think they bought them out just to wind down the casinos? Come on don't be so gullible. The "wind-down" story is just a smokescreen. Players will be moved around to this new affiliate program or elsewhere and these crims will continue doing what they do best. And nobody can say that they weren't warned because all you needed to do was a little research before jumping into bed with them.
    I don't think I have actually swallowed anything on that front. I stated what I was told, and then said we would be monitoring what actually happened. I tend to be pretty circumspect in situations where I don't feel I have the factual knowledge required to make a definitive statement. The reason I did not provide a specific time frame for the "winding down" was because I was not provided a specific time frame even though I asked. Fundamentally I was told Driven Affiliates has no operational control over the Bestpay Partner sites, and so could not promise what they would do. This is definitely one of the areas where I had divergent views with Driven Affiliates about what was required. So stay tuned ... time will tell the truth. The optimist in me hopes it will be a short time. The pessimist in me, well, that's another story.

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    "Fundamentally I was told Driven Affiliates has no operational control over the Bestpay Partner sites, and so could not promise what they would do."

    A wonderful story to terminate any claims of webmasters for revenue share after the [staged?] lockdown.
    And a wonderful trigger that grass can grow over it.
    I do not believe one word from Best or Driven or whatever the name will be ... with good reasons

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    "Driven Affiliates decided to request that we halt their sponsorship of the GPWA."

    No money in the wallet ... no cookies on the plate!
    The stattering payment was a good sign.

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    At this point in time our goal is to work with John, and him with us,"

    This single sentence tells the whole story.
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    One should scratch behind ones ears to what extent one should engage with these criminals for business
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muppet View Post
    But I cannot believe that you have swallowed that bullshit about winding down their casinos. They just recently bought out the entire Refilliates group. You think they bought them out just to wind down the casinos? Come on don't be so gullible. The "wind-down" story is just a smokescreen. Players will be moved around to this new affiliate program or elsewhere and these crims will continue doing what they do best. And nobody can say that they weren't warned because all you needed to do was a little research before jumping into bed with them.
    Hello Muppet,

    Even work BestPay partners.
    No newsletters to announce that the casinos were closed or purchased. Even behavior.
    I am not surprised, they purchased Reffiliates.

    But the casinos continue to market and affiliates are not paid.

    I received this in my email, August 16, 2016 :

    "Your account has-been Credited with $ 150.00

    Deposit $ 25 and release your $ 150.00

    Start playing with a balance of 175 and see how far it takes you.

    In case you forgot, your login is - xxxx

    Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    Over the past week and a half I have exchanged more than 20 email messages with Bestpay Partners and Driven Affiliates and participated in two extended conference calls with the ownership of Crazy Winners and Driven Affiliates.

    In the course of our communications I was consistently told “Driven Affiliates, it’s software and it’s promoted brands has no operational management connection to Bestpay Partners whatsoever.” It was acknowledged that they do know each other, and that there are some shared investors, and that the current affiliate manager of Driven Affiliates formerly worked for Bestpay Partners.

    When I asked about Bestpay Partners, I was told “… they have indeed shut down acquisition and new deposits from jurisdictions (they) had previously serviced and (have) been doing so in stages for some time under constant pressure and threat in those jurisdictions.” And that there “… is a confirmed wrap up of operations and affiliates will continue to be dealt with on a case by case basis and at their management’s discretion according to their wind-down process.”

    We did agree that the GPWA should continue to work to ensure the affiliates of Bestpay Partners were treated as equitably as possible. At this point in time our goal is to work with John, and him with us, to do everything in our mutual power to help ensure affiliates are paid through the time the Bestpay Partners affiliate program closed. We will also monitor the operation of the sites Bestpay Partners represented to determine the speed with which those sites are wound down. From my perspective shutting down existing affiliate relationships prior to fully winding down the associated online gaming sites was a very serious mistake. However, if the sites are rapidly wound down then I believe that is better than if the process of winding down the sites takes an extended period of time.

    The GPWA will remain in steady communication with Driven Affiliates and the management of the sites represented by Bestpay Partners with the objective of seeing that affiliates are paid. We encourage affiliates to let us know how they are progressing in receiving payment, and to ask for our assistance when it is needed. Please keep Anthony in the loop for any payment issues. Additionally, as part of facilitating continued communications with Driven Affiliates, we, like a number of other larger affiliates, currently plan to maintain an affiliate relationship with Driven Affiliates. We will reevaluate that decision in the future based on the speed with which the Bestpay Partners sites are wound down and the proper payment of affiliates by Bestpay Partners.
    Unfortunately I don't believe a word they told you. I don't believe that BestPay and John S have any intentions of paying affiliates. Affiliates were originally told to send an email to support at bestpaypartners dot come to discuss payment. What happened when you did that? Emails were never answered. What happened if you tried to contact John S via skype? You were blocked.

    It was originally reported on Aug. 4th at AGD that the brands were purchased for the Refilliates database only according to a conversation with BestPay and that the brands would be closing. Guess it takes a while to shut a casino down........hahahahahahaha

    I applaud your effort but I believe they just told you what you wanted to hear. I hope I'm wrong but in the long run I doubt that I am.

    The final outcome once again will be that affiliates will be screwed over and never see a dime that is owed to them.

    P.S. If I'm wrong I will be the first to apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbush54 View Post
    I applaud your effort but I believe they just told you what you wanted to hear.
    They certainly did not tell me what I wanted to hear. If they had done so, and their words were backed up by their actions, then they would likely have remained a sponsor here. It is because I did not hear what I wanted to hear that they are no longer a sponsor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    Given our divergent views of what was required and appropriate, Driven Affiliates decided to request that we halt their sponsorship of the GPWA. We agreed to their request, particularly since they disclaimed any ability to control the operations of Bestpay Partners or their interaction with affiliates. Therefore, concurrently with this post, we are removing Driven Affiliates as a GPWA Sponsor Program.

    We did agree that the GPWA should continue to work to ensure the affiliates of Bestpay Partners were treated as equitably as possible. At this point in time our goal is to work with John, and him with us, to do everything in our mutual power to help ensure affiliates are paid through the time the Bestpay Partners affiliate program closed.

    ...They certainly did not tell me what I wanted to hear. If they had done so, and their words were backed up by their actions, then they would likely have remained a sponsor here. It is because I did not hear what I wanted to hear that they are no longer a sponsor.

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    Most likely they gave you (GPWA) the finger and decided not to pay the sponsor fees anyway, regardless the outcome of your "conversations", just like I predicted they would.

    No payment no sponsor listing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCG View Post
    Most likely they gave you (GPWA) the finger and decided not to pay the sponsor fees anyway
    That is quite simply a false statement. And, historically, it has frequently been the case that when we terminate a sponsor the sponsor affiliate program would have preferred to remain a sponsor and pay the associated sponsorship fee going forward.

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    Instead of protecting *them, if anyone wants their real names and not the "John Stern" fantasy alias, just send me a PM.

    Its interesting that all the Refilliates casinos that they just purchased to "wind down" actually all have brand new websites using the same template as their other sites, plus the same set of terms, and the same ownership of Cyberrock Entertainment N.V.. Have a look at these terms. For those of you working with these crooks and complaining about your lost commissions, this is what you have been referring your visitors to:

    Age limits that you probably didn't realise existed as they are not normal (I have no doubt they aren't enforced except when needed to deny a winner):

    Legal age restrictions and strict adherences to the policies of age as agreed by the jurisdiction of the said territories to comply with the said law of that territory are full enforced by the Casino. This is clearly defined by no player under the age of 25 years of age is permitted to play at the casino regardless of gender.

    Quick to confiscate money:


    3.9. Should a player abstain from logging into their Casino account for a period of 90 days or more or the player 90 days without making a single bet or wager, the Casino will be entitled to any balance in that players account and the sum forfeit. Should the player wish to withdraw this amount after this period, we will examine each situation on a case by case basis but reserve the right to invoke the above 3 month rule.

    Predatory rule that stops small depositors having a big win:

    5.1. All Deposits of 249 USD/EURO/GBP/AUS or less have a max withdrawal of 10X the deposit for that specific play session (all other currencies pegged to USD). Once a withdrawal is approved, the casino applies the 10X rule and corrects the withdrawal to accurately reflect the 10X rule. The remaining funds are deemed 'Non-Withdrawable' and are cleared from the player's balance.

    Deliberately slow withdrawal process aimed at encouraging players to reverse and lose:


    5.2. Customers can submit their withdrawal request at anytime. The approval time may take fifteen - eighteen (15 - 18 working days starting the date authorization process was completed successfully

    Tiny withdrawal limits. You can't even reach the monthly one anyway due to clause 5.2 as the most you can do in one month is two withdrawals if you are lucky. And they can't make their mind up whether they apply to jackpots or not:


    5.10. Unless otherwise specified, and although there are no upper limits to cashable winnings, the Casino operates a maximum withdrawal limit of 10,000 credits per month and 1,500 credits per withdrawal. For withdrawals above the monthly threshold, payments will be met in installments until the full amount is paid out. This threshold does not apply to progressive jackpot. Players are allowed to withdraw up to 1,500 credits (equal to 1,500 USD) per request. If the amount wished to be withdrawn is greater than 1,500 then the remaining funds are left in the account. Once the first withdrawal is approved, a player can request an addition withdrawal with the money in his account. A Player has the right to cancel the withdrawal request at any time while it is still pending. This also applies to the withdrawals of progressive jackpots.

    These are almost the same set of terms that they used when they ran Rome and other rogue TopGame casinos.

    Folks I am sorry to say that you have been scammed. Just like the players they have been scamming for years. The gpwa can't do anything. You're better off moving on and picking your programs more carefully next time.
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    Affiliate Guard Dog has made the claim that affiliates will not be paid out and that the casino will stay open. The post.

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    Thank you for letting us know, I will connect with Andy at AGD.
    I am here to help if you have any issues with an affiliate program.
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    Good morning

    Muppet's post from 5. August 2016 was edited yesterday after three weeks!

    Last edited by Anthony; Yesterday at 3:40 pm. Reason: Surname removed
    Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/bestpaypa...tml#post824336

    Last edited by Anthony; 24 August 2016 at 1:41 pm. Reason: Surnames removed
    Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/bestpaypa...tml#post826016

    The final edit contains the crux of the matter (Thank you Anthony for the transparency - and the truth):

    Last edited by Anthony; Yesterday at 4:58 pm. [...] Note: Surnames are removed by request.
    Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/bestpaypa...tml#post826148

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    Dear reader, do you know ...

    -that Anthony never would censor names in critical cases like here - without a request?

    -that the fact that the surnames were removed in Muppet's posts through Anthony by request is a big disservice for the requesters because the request is an ironclad proof for the 100% correctness and reality of the removed names!


    -that the "truth information service" via PM offered by Muppet is working very well and that you will get what BBP and Driven does not want you to see? Use it like I did!

    -that censorship by request is the most stupid thing on internet, because censored content is of biggest interest for the free people and will be spreaded all over the world e.g. with social media. I will try to find a nice idea for me with the information I got from Muppet also here in my city. perhaps a giant advertising sign with the names, phone numbers and so on at the well used road here.

    ---

    By the way: The request to censor the names is also proof, that they have read here in this thread all the time. What a bizarre scenario. They are reading here at the same time with the GPWA staff, but do only talk over third parties.

    If GPWA latest now do not feel to be taken also for an idiot, then I really don't know, which sense this game shall have.

    I am finished with this thread. For me the game is over ... already more than 3 weeks ago.

    Thank you -Shay-, Celena, Muppet, Rebush54 and others that you so early identified the true situation and that you show backbone.

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    Just received a robo call from Rockbet for a free $100 chip along with telling me that I have been sent an email with a bonus match with no playthrough. Definitely are shutting the casinos down.....guess I called this one right.

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    I received an email but for affiliates, are the same. For now, they deleted affiliate commissions, and the casinos still work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    I did get a hold of John. He said last payments will go out to affiliates.
    If anyone does not get paid please let me know and I will follow up for you.

    I have not received payment of approximately $ 650.


    My site: http://bonusfree.net


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    Quite the statement by Dieter at AGD....http://www.affiliateguarddog.com/com...e-8#post-73379

    Hi everyone,

    Thought I would post one last time to try and clarify matters once more.

    I would like to start by kindly requesting that folks please stop posting if you don't have accurate or constructive information. Some posters here have no basis or merit for their posts and are simply exasperating an already disappointing end to the Refilliates brand - thank you.

    Here are the facts:


    1. We have no relation to, or investment in, any brand/s other than Betreels. We set up Betreels so that we could build a licensed, regulated gaming business.
    2. Under pressure from regulatory bodies, we were forced to sell Refilliates when we launched Betreels and regrettably, the new owners closed the affiliate program soon after taking ownership.
    3. We have always treated everyone fairly and have bent over backwards to look after our partners. We had no idea that the new owners would close the affiliate program. As mentioned before, we would never have sold to them if we knew this was going to happen.
    4. Duwayne left Refilliates in 2015 to start his own brands.

    From day 1, we always looked after players and affiliates (even if they had issues at other Rival casinos). Several times, over the past 3 years, we paid affiliates out of our own pockets when processors refused to settle our transactions. We did not change Affiliate terms in 7 years of operating, despite suffering significant losses due to fraud and processor theft / fines. My point is that we tried to do everything by the book to make sure you remained a partner and got paid. Why would we go through all this just to throw it away in the end?

    We don't expect any understanding or sympathy from the folks making malicious, factually incorrect posts here and expect there will be more "trolling" after this post, but at least now, you have the true facts and those without a personal agenda can see that this was something we had no control over. It's like selling your car in good faith and the next month the new owner gets caught drunk driving - you could not have foreseen that or prevented it.

    Together, we built a reputable business which we were all very proud of. No-one is more sorry that this happened to you, than me and the team who spent years working 24/7 on our relationships with you and the players.

    Now that you have all the facts and hopefully, a better understanding of how we work, you can decide for yourself how you wish to proceed.


    Sincerely yours,
    Dieter
    XXXXX - For what it is worth, we have not been paid. We received a deposit to commence the sale and have not received the balance. And, Refilliate's base was 94% US and France - 2 of the countries Betreels can't take players from, so yet again, a moot point.

    Most readers here know that you have had a grudge against me and the brands ever since you lost a public debate regarding the removal of winnings for breach of terms. You chose to make it personal and have been out to attack our and Rival's reputation ever since. Everything you have posted here (and on other threads) is factually incorrect, malicious and/or without merit. You are simply using the forum to further your agenda. You have been kicked off other sites for incessant trolling and causing dissent. You add no value and quite honestly, serve no purpose.

    This will be my final comment here. Readers have all the information they need to make an informed decision. Therefore, I have asked Andy to close the Refilliates account.


    Good luck to you,
    Dieter

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    This still "smells" quite fishy, as his propaganda is not adding up to much from where I am sitting.

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