bet365 policy concerns - minimum player threshold and negative carryover

[Topboss]

I must say that I can see Rick's point here. I have nothing against Bet365 and actually promote them quite extensively, however believe it or not I have still not met the 5 player threshold and everyone who knows me, knows that I probably wouldn't be considered a small affiliate as I have a network of 160 sites, been in the industry for 10 years ( 4 of which have been fulltime ) and run an office of 11 staff, so obviously make enough money to pay all their salaries, rent, domain renewals etc.

Granted I am no Super Affiliate but the point I am trying to make is that it is not necessarily just the small affiliates that cannot always get the players at a particular brand, I can't get players there despite some pretty decent exposure.

It would be a more friendlier term if the casino took into account the amount of exposure they are being given by a particular affiliate and the amount of effort the affiliate is doing when determining the number of players required before a payout.

I don't have a problem with the negative carry over as I believe when you are in a partnership it should work both ways - we shouldn't expect the casino to carry all the losses but thats a whole other debate

[Tony]

I agree with Rick and Toboss. you can work your fingers off on your pc if you want and you may not get more then one player to sing up now what? the program makes money from a player you found not them and you just waste your time promoting them. So if you try your best and for what ever reason you can't get players to sing up just drop them and try your lock allsware there are so many factors that efect your sing ups and some times I don't care how hard you try you can't meet them.

[xecutable]

No program out there is perfect I believe, and while the negative carryover and the minimum 5 player quota seems bad, I rarely have had problems with it, as bet365 converts well, responds fast to inquires (within the day) and is always helpful. In fact to make affiliates happy they go out of their way if you have put an effort and ask them.

I can confirm that I have received a payment when I used to have 4 players, and I've received a payment when it didn't reach the minimum threshold of 50€. If you are into sports betting and have got UK traffic you wont regret working with them.

Sure you have the right to turn them down because of your current situation, but I believe it's your loss in the long run. All of us that are in favor of bet365 don't argue that this term isn't small affiliate unfriendly, we just believe that if you can get 5+ players it's worth going with them.

[universal4]

Good points being made in this thread....and it isn't just the AMOUNT of exposure.....like I said in one of my posts earlier....a PLAYER may be extremely loyal to the book or the casino and could possibly want to promote them "although possibly in a small way" and in my opinion...

..."If they promote them and send a player, they deserve to get paid even if that is the only player they send" (provided there is netwin).

Like Heather and a few others have stated, although the negative carry over is not IDEAL, NCO is not a deal breaker for me....

I just really hate to see such a well respected group have any kind of quota term.

Rick
Universal4

[bonusbetting]

I have promoted Bet365 aggressively from the start for the pure and simple reason that they are normally the best option for my players.

They offer the best player experience, best odds, and best service, which results in some of the best conversion and retention rates.

Ultimately your players don't care what commission you are getting, and they won't suddenly decide to ditch the leading brand for Casino9999.com because they offered you 80% revshare with no NC or quota.

[live]

It seams as though things are getting tougher on the affiliates. For that matter the casinos. I missed the 5 player rule when I joined. I did not know about it. But I am sticking with Bet365 because for some reason I feel they are honest when so many aff programs I feel things squirming behind my back. It is one of the best casinos for my players and that is the bottom line. The "behind your back" programs will not be honest with a new player I send. It is not like they will cheat me but not a player. So i am with them no matter.

Could someone comment on the specifics of the player rule. I have 8 signup but only 2 new depositors. Do 8 sign ups match the requirement? Do the players need to be depositors? Do you need 5 "active" players and not just 5 depositors??

Regards
Live

[xecutable]

It seams as though things are getting tougher on the affiliates. For that matter the casinos. I missed the 5 player rule when I joined. I did not know about it. But I am sticking with Bet365 because for some reason I feel they are honest when so many aff programs I feel things squirming behind my back. It is one of the best casinos for my players and that is the bottom line. The "behind your back" programs will not be honest with a new player I send. It is not like they will cheat me but not a player. So i am with them no matter.

Could someone comment on the specifics of the player rule. I have 8 signup but only 2 new depositors. Do 8 sign ups match the requirement? Do the players need to be depositors? Do you need 5 "active" players and not just 5 depositors??

Regards
Live

Hey you need 5 lifetime depositors. You do not need 5 'active' players per month to receive your payments.

[live]

Hey how are you My friend... long time.
You are saying that I just need 5 depositors over the coarse of "a lifetime" and it is OK that they are a one time or only two time depositors?
Your commending Betfair to me a few months ago paid of with a nice player last month. I was wondering how many players would join when Betfair requires player ID verification at sign up.
I think you are on the right track with casinos like Betfair and Bet365. Good going. In general terms, a casino that is good for me is good for my players.

live

Regards,
Live

[xecutable]

Yup you need just 5 life time ones, doesn't matter how active they are. Hmm did not know that about betfair, but I get regular sign ups and deposits. Hit me up on skype so we don't hijack this thread which is about Bet365.

[live]

Ok so when you get 5 players that have deposited any amount you get your commission. Even if it took you a while. I don't see any problem with that. Apparently you get paid for all the commission that has built up over the time it took you to get those 5 depositing players. So what the heck. NO PROBLEM IMO. For an aff program you can trust... it is a small sacrifice.

[joeyl]

The end result is Bet365 have a bunch of money held and the longer they're open, the more it'll add up.

Anyone have numbers available? AM's?

[live]

If that is your interpretation then you own it. We humans take in 12 billion bits of data a second. We process 2000. It is a personal choice what gets registered. You can view a different world from the guy next door and you are both living in the same world and both versions are true for the viewer. "For me" there is no absolute truth. " Phenomena is all relative to the observer", Einstein. I choose to live in a different place than you. The world will react differently to the observer depending on how he views others.
Good Luck!

live