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13 May 2013, 10:33 pm #41

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Too little, too late from BS. They tried to screw over affiliates. They're done.

I scanned BS's arrogant post, looking for the word 'sorry'. It wasn't there.
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13 May 2013, 11:21 pm #42

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I will continue to keep Brighshare on my Blacklist... Where they have been for YEARS.

How anyone could TRUST these people at Brightshare is beyond me.
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13 May 2013, 11:44 pm #43

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Originally Posted by Marcia

The BrightShare team cares deeply about having a strong, fair and long lasting relationship with our affiliate partners.
We have carefully reviewed the comments and input we received from the affiliates regarding the changes we recently announced.

What a load of BS (yer Brightshare) if you cared this wouldn't have happened in the first place, partners in business communicate with each other, you were trying to screw your partners.

Originally Posted by Marcia

We wish it were possible to operate using the same terms and conditions as we have in the past but the online gaming marketplace has changed over the years, and it is now a much tougher marketplace with different operating margins for affiliates and operators alike.
However, in reflecting on the issues raised, we understand and appreciate affiliate concerns around earnings for previously referred players.

More rubbish, and this is why you guys will fall and the good guys will flourish even more now.

Originally Posted by Marcia

While we stand by our decision to implement our update as a whole, we have made a decision to apply the new revenue share terms only on new players as of May 1st 2013 and we will maintain the net revenue calculation as per the previous terms for all active players the affiliates brought until April 30th (Revenue percentage scales calculation based on Net revenues, no Negative Carry Over without a High Roller policy, and no reduced Revshare for inactive affiliates on those players).
Revenue share for previously referred players from markets that are closed (France, Italy) will be paid based on a reduced rev share percentage.

All new Players as of May 1st will be under the new terms as was updated.

We feel strongly that this is the right course of action, and that it reflects our beliefs, our deep commitment to the values of fairness and integrity.
We will develop and test the system and reports to reflect the above mentioned exception, and will update our affiliate partners once this is implemented in our system.

I do not believe this is good enough, some maybe happy with it. You will stay blacklisted on my site, I am not sending new affiliates to you with these terms for them either.

Originally Posted by Marcia

We encourage our affiliates to contact their dedicated account manager for any question they still have, and to inquire about other incentives we offer from time to time for ALL affiliates, both large and small, in order to continue to grow a long term partnership, as we have always supported over the years.

The BrightShare Team

I did contact my manager to close my account last week, and guess what.. no response and its still open.

Originally Posted by Marcia

(*) This is posted on behalf of Marcia, our Forums moderator, as she is not available due to personal reasons.

Why are all these posts on behalf of Marcia, surely you also represent the company, whom is posting?

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13 May 2013, 11:53 pm #44

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Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman

As everyone can see from the quotes from their public post above, Brightshare has made a decision to respect the affiliates that have worked with them over the past years by not applying terms, such as player quotas, to previously referred players. Very early on in my discussions with Brightshare is was clear that they did not initially understand the importance of this issue to the affiliate community, and agreed they would work their best to ensure that position was adopted by the affiliate program as a response to affiliate issues raised. Initially there were questions about what would be required technically to honor previous terms and conditions for players referred under the old terms, but it was determined those technical issues could be handled properly with some development work.

I think having Brightshare recognize and respect the line affiliates have drawn in the sand around the extensive retroactive changes initially proposed is an important victory for the affiliate community.

Moving forward, this means that affiliates have a fair choice about whether or not to work with Brightshare under the new terms and conditions that have been announced. If individual affiliates accept those terms, then they will choose to continue working with Brightshare. And if they don't, they are free to make a decision to no longer promote them without fear that revenue from their current player base will be shut off because they have failed to refer additional players.

Michael

I am truly disappointed in the GPWA.

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14 May 2013, 5:07 am #45

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Originally Posted by mattsgame

I am truly disappointed in the GPWA.

Me too. I'm close to never posting here again.
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14 May 2013, 6:51 am #46

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Have to say I agree with Mattsgame and FictionNet. If it were not for Affiliate Guard Dog taking a stance against Brightshare and then affiliates such as Redbush bringing to our attention what Brightshare were doing, then everything would be hunky dory at Spiral Solutions.

The facts remain that Brightshare made a calculated attempt to steal our money. Moving forward they have changed the goalposts with regards any future new players introduced into their properties. Brightshare ( Spiral ) only made concessions on not applying this to players already introduced by affiliates. NOT because of the GPWA's discussions with Brightshare management, but because affiliates as a whole led by Andy at AGD were and are outraged at this blatant attempt to steal from us.

If anything the GPWA's inaction in not suspending Brightshare is responsible as to why these terms still stand for new players referred moving forward.

If Brightshare remain as a sponsor program after all this, then please close the door behind me when I leave the GPWA. As I do not want to be associated with any organisation that introduces new gaming affiliates to such a crooked program.

Edited to add: From my viewpoint the reason Brightshare made these concessions is so that they remain a sponsor on GPWA, get reinstated as a sponsor on CAP and also are allowed to continue to sponsor the numerous conferences. Thus enticing new unsuspecting affiliates via sites such as this one and those that attend the iGB events.

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14 May 2013, 8:05 pm #47

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Come on guys... did you really expect any different outcome?

You all should have known what Korfman was going to do, based on his past actions.

Anyway, who cares if the newbees get ripped off, they are probably stealing content from us anyway...
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Removal of a new player quota with respect to existing players preserves the revenue all affiliates receive from those players. So the change Brightshare agreed means small affiliates have been protected with respect to their current player base.

This leaves affiliates free to stop promoting Brightshare. And, indeed, such a decision would be the appropriate one for any affiliate that is not comfortable with the new terms. The change that was agreed provides affiliates with the ability to vote with their feet without fear of losing any revenue from their existing players. And, with that protection in place, it will be much easier for affiliates in general to let Brightshare know what they think through actions, and not just though words. We will work to do a better job of identifying predatory program attributes, so affiliates have the information to make an informed decision on who they want to promote. Those changes will be announced shortly.



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14 May 2013, 9:59 pm #49

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When forum leaders go in a different direction to what their members want, the forum fails, deservedly so.
15 May 2013, 10:29 am #50

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Removal of a new player quota with respect to existing players preserves the revenue all affiliates receive from those players. So the change Brightshare agreed means small affiliates have been protected with respect to their current player base.

This leaves affiliates free to stop promoting Brightshare. And, indeed, such a decision would be the appropriate one for any affiliate that is not comfortable with the new terms. The change that was agreed provides affiliates with the ability to vote with their feet without fear of losing any revenue from their existing players. And, with that protection in place, it will be much easier for affiliates in general to let Brightshare know what they think through actions, and not just though words. We will work to do a better job of identifying predatory program attributes, so affiliates have the information to make an informed decision on who they want to promote. Those changes will be announced shortly.



I am truly amazed... and I didn't think that could happen anymore.

If so much of your gpwa income is tied to recruiting new affiliates, that you feel you need to continue to support these kind of thieving programs... You may want to re-think your business model.

I fully expect this post to get censored... you guys here at the gpwa seem to be good at that... But at least you know how I feel.
15 May 2013, 12:06 pm #51

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Whoa. I have to speak up and say I disagree with the way this thread is going.

I don't agree that it's fair to say the GPWA is all about money and they do nothing but sit back and collect sponsor payments. Just take a look around at how many people Anthony is helping and has in the past. I can't count how many times I've been helped here. It's very time consuming and I for one want to see the GPWA be able to sustain itself and not do this for free! We are all here for the money, let's not kid ourselves.

I have been complaining, bitching and moaning for years that conferences allow rogues and no one seemed to agree with me. If we say GPWA is in it ONLY for the money then we must say the same about IGB and the rest. These same programs are spending a fortune to attend. Why should BS attend then? Why do these event planners get away with it? Where is the outrage?

There will also need to be outrage at Casinomeister I see a thread about Brightshare and the same statement from them seen here but BS is still on CM's accredited list.

I'm glad to see CAP 'did the right thing'. However, CAP has deceived affiliates and programs in the past. Just as Brightshare will never be trustworthy again, neither will CAP imo.

What's happening now is similar to what happened in the beginning of this industry. Seems everyone is on the same page to change terms. However, what happened before is that the smart programs will separate themselves and let us know they do not have these awful terms and we will use them and dump the likes of BS and Roxy. The programs will begin to compete with each other again to our benefit.

To blame the worlds problems on GPWA is unfair and it's curious that BS is the catalyst for it when it's everywhere because it is the currant climate in this industry and has been for some time. To single out BS and GPWA is counter productive imo. Instead, working together makes more sense. There is also a forum for GPWA policy discussion in the private section where we can make suggestions to Michael.
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IMO Brightshare should have been suspended for their predatory move on the other hand newbies that scrape our content and spam have no clue about those new T&C. They just sign up anywhere where player revenue for life is promised.

I do not see the value of having a sponsor here one can not trust anymore.

If you sell your soul, you will get banned by your friends.

Is GPWA our friend here?
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17 May 2013, 12:03 am #53

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Originally Posted by GCG

IMO Brightshare should have been suspended for their predatory move on the other hand newbies that scrape our content and spam have no clue about those new T&C. They just sign up anywhere where player revenue for life is promised.

I do not see the value of having a sponsor here one can not trust anymore.

If you sell your soul, you will get banned by your friends.

Is GPWA our friend here?

Casinomeister has them listed as Accredited.

Alex Pratt has recently promoted them here at the GPWA.

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We are happy to announce that BrightShare will be the exclusive lunch sponsors at the upcoming Amsterdam Affiliate Conference this June 11th-14th. Make plans to be there and meet the team. To find out how you can secure your free lunch please click here.

another conference

So now what?
17 May 2013, 2:41 am #54

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Casinomeister does not care

Alex does not care

Mr C. : does not care ; the world is not perfect.

that is the current situation.

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Hi Rick,

To me there is a big difference between the 3 you mentioned.

GPWA has made progress and still working on it.

Casinomeister nothing.

Alex is inviting affiliates for lunch with them, how sad is that ?

I know its not a perfect world but at least Michael and company are working on it .

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Dave,

I like ya well enough but your kidding right?

Your an administrator at a forum with power and that could help here.

How can you condem the GPWA when the forum you are an admin at that still promotes them?

Originally Posted by Webzcas

Have to say I agree with Mattsgame and FictionNet. If it were not for Affiliate Guard Dog taking a stance against Brightshare and then affiliates such as Redbush bringing to our attention what Brightshare were doing, then everything would be hunky dory at Spiral Solutions.

The facts remain that Brightshare made a calculated attempt to steal our money. Moving forward they have changed the goalposts with regards any future new players introduced into their properties. Brightshare ( Spiral ) only made concessions on not applying this to players already introduced by affiliates. NOT because of the GPWA's discussions with Brightshare management, but because affiliates as a whole led by Andy at AGD were and are outraged at this blatant attempt to steal from us.

If anything the GPWA's inaction in not suspending Brightshare is responsible as to why these terms still stand for new players referred moving forward.

If Brightshare remain as a sponsor program after all this, then please close the door behind me when I leave the GPWA. As I do not want to be associated with any organisation that introduces new gaming affiliates to such a crooked program.

Edited to add: From my viewpoint the reason Brightshare made these concessions is so that they remain a sponsor on GPWA, get reinstated as a sponsor on CAP and also are allowed to continue to sponsor the numerous conferences. Thus enticing new unsuspecting affiliates via sites such as this one and those that attend the iGB events.

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Originally Posted by pdjoe

Dave,

I like ya well enough but your kidding right?

Your an administrator at a forum with power and that could help here.

How can you condem the GPWA when the forum you are an admin at that still promotes them?

For the record and just to make my point clear. I personally think all Wagershare properties, all Brightshare properties and all Roxy Affiliates properties should be rogued everywhere. ( This is reflected in my signature here, on CM, on AGD and also CAP )

I also believe sincerely that eCOGRA should not have anything to do with dishing out seals to affiliate programs, especially as the eCOGRA site indicates some of the 6 listed programs have not been audited for a couple of years.

Additionally, it was me that started the thread in question concerning both Brightshare and Roxy on Casinomeister. I have been, as an individual and webmaster very vocal on there regarding my own views and Bryan quite rightly has allowed me to do so. Even though my name is in bright blue and his views may differ from my own.

I do not speak for Casinomeister and I am not Bryan.

There are major marked differences however between Casinomeister and the likes of GPWA, CAP, AGD.

Casinomeister is for players and unless players are getting shafted, it is unlikely Bryan will move them off the site.

However, GPWA. CAP, AGD etc are for affiliates and affiliates ARE getting shafted by the likes of Brightshare and Roxy Affiliates and the correct course of action would be to suspend them.

I would very much like large sites such as CM to also follow suit, but I can quite clearly see why they are still on there. I also believe that if sites such as Casinomeister took a stand, the programs such as Brightshare would very likely come back to the table and undo all the damage they already have done.

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Didn't mean to offend Dave and sorry if I did,

My main point would be don't give the GPWA a hard time and not the other big affiliate sites is all.

On another note, as you know if programs will screw affiliates or players, it goes hand in hand. Bryan knows this and had affiliate newsletters going out for years.

I am just saying all this Dave cuz he could help here and with all the changes lately.

More so that people are blaming the GPWA and I don't agree with it !

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My main point would be don't give the GPWA a hard time and not the other big affiliate sites is all.

Casinomeister is not an affiliate site. GPWA IS. This is the big difference. Also Bryan already has removed Roxy Affiliates and Brightshare from the Affiliate Section on CM, where he recommends affiliate programs: http://www.casinomeister.com/affiliate.php

This is not about players. This is about affiliate programs and the GPWA as I have stated previously have not in my view done the right thing.

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