CardSpike / CAP / Gambling911

[Randy72560]

Thanks again or putting this altogether here Kaus. I'm also glad to see GPWA and everyone getting involved. Things like this Cardspike issue threaten the integrity of our entire industry and we must take a stand!

[pgaming]

Thanks Kaus and everyone else contributing their thoughts. Leaves me wondering if there maybe others who are practicing the same business approach. For myself it would make sense, I mean leading affiliates to poison waters for the betterment of a few.

I suppose this is no longer theory concocted by some “villiage idiot” but rather fact. Fact indeed the intent of certified programs is, at times to falsely add trust force-feeding some affs Rat Poison.

I wonder who are the profiteers, the architects of such blatant scam. Frankly speaking, I am exasperated, disappointed, and disgusted. Most of us work pretty darn hard. Personally I tired of being treated like toilet paper and will with others peruse this issue with vigor.

Perhaps my sig says it all?



greek39

[GamTrak]

I wanted to add to my post about gambling911 just so that we are clear. Being a forum owner I look out for my members (just like Michael does for us here), but you don't find that at gambling911. They will allow personal attacks and false information to turn from a morsel to a seven layer cake with no proof what-so-ever. I've seen if done over the seven years that I've been in the industry so anytime I see them involved in a story I get leary.

I'm the type that like to see FOR MYSELF the proof and not just aligation. This is some serious stuff so I would not take the ramifications lightly. Some folks may be greedy, power hungry attack dogs, but that does not make them stupid enough to jepordize thier livelyhood. . I guess time will tell.

Either way I"m for the players and affiliates getting paid.

[Caruso]

Assuming it's not illegal for a US citizen to be the beneficiary owner of an online poker room, they would not be jeopardising their livlihoods.

I agree about Gambling 911. However, Michael is effectively saying the same thing, and I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't go out on a limb without being very confident in his sources.

[mojo]

This thread has many themes - but primarily it isn't really about CAP's potential ownership - but a warning about a poker room failing to meet their financial obligations.

I totally agree. Reading around, the poker affiliate community as a whole has effectively rouged Card Spike. It's really not about G911 either. Because CAP is mentioned actually makes it harder because of the accusations of hidden agendas and more 'cap bashing'.

Just like any apparent rouge situation, we need to get to the bottom of it. Just like Grand Prive and some of the rtg recycled curran casinos. Otherwise, as we've seen many times before, the perps will just reinvent themselves and potentially do it again. Whether it turns out to be cap or not, matted is correct and should be treated like any other damaging industry site IMO.

The truth will come out.

[GamTrak]

However, Michael is effectively saying the same thing, and I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't go out on a limb without being very confident in his sources.

If he was not there to see them sign the paperwork in person then IMO he is going out on a limb.

Hi mojo, Please tell me what other source is reporting this other than 911? I've not really followed it because I've been working like a dog, but I would be interesed to know who has the proof?

[mojo]

If he was not there to see them sign the paperwork in person then IMO he is going out on a limb.

Hi mojo, Please tell me what other source is reporting this other than 911? I've not really followed it because I've been working like a dog, but I would be interesed to know who has the proof?

Hi Robin,

Kaus has some in the first post here and here are some that someone posted elsewhere:

Read the other stories and complaints
http://www.pokeraffiliatebible.com/c...ing-scam-site/ http://www.fuzionpoker.com/poker/car...-cardspikecom/
http://blog.rakebackriver.com/2009/0...-problems.aspx http://www.bankrollboost.com/poker_b...poker-warning/ http://www.feltpoker.com/forums/poke...-warning-7250/
http://www.poker-prop.net/news/cards...ning-1264.html http://www.pokernewsteam.com/poker-n...rdspikecom/289 http://www.recentpoker.com/news/cardspike-1747.html http://www.natarem.com/2008/12/20/rakeback-followup/ http://www.fivesomething.com/busines...industry-drama
http://www.flopturnriver.com/blogs/a...cardspike-1171 http://www.fuzionpoker.com/poker/car...-cardspikecom/

I havnt had time to read them all but did find this one with a statement from Cake:

http://www.feltpoker.com/forums/poke...-warning-7250/

If he was not there to see them sign the paperwork in person then IMO he is going out on a limb.

Everyone is free to come to their own conclusions here and time will tell. I also have confidence in Michael and do not believe he would post lightly nor would dozens of poker affiliates. If a tree falls in the woods I don't need to see it fall to know it did. Hope that made sense lol!

[GamTrak]

Thanks mojo!

I like Michael and only want the best for him and I'm concerned about the source because I believe The Professor when he sais that it's not true.

I'm just bummed that CAP and GPWA seems to be pulling further apart and I hate to see division like this in the industry. Not to say that I know the full story, but I like to SEE proof before I am asked to assume it's true.

You have a good day.

[Caruso]

...I'm concerned about the source because I believe The Professor when he sais that it's not true.

Three words: player database sale.

[Fergie]

Thanks Klaus. I had no idea at all about this until you made this post.

As far as making alligations public, I feel strongly that it is much better to go out on a limb with information from trusted sources, than it is to sit idly by while shadey acts may possibly be occuring. In this case, these alleged acts not only hurt individual players and affiliates, but the industry as a whole. If the accusations are false, it will be made known.

It's the price we all pay for any exposure no matter the size. There will be public scrutiny, and necessarily so, as self regulation is what keeps this industry as honest as it is. And the bigger you get, the more scrutiny and accusations you will face.

[GamTrak]

Three words: player database sale.

I certainly hope we don't have to drag that issue up today! I can only deal with one drama at a time if you will.

This is some serious **** and It's not the same as someone posting a rumor. Folks lives are involved here, but I guess it don't matter to some!

I think that I can say with certainty that they are not the owners, but I have no way to be sure. I'm with those that feel they need to step up to the plate and get everyone paid that trusted them as it relates to being exposed to Card Spike and I'm hopeful that that will happen soon. I'm not a poker affiliate and do not follow PAP closely, but I do know folks that are in the know and manage to stay informed.

[bonustreak]

So much for starting off the new year with no drama .. Where is there proof of this at that is what I would really like to see before I make any judgements on any of this.

Forum rumors and wars can be very very ugly and many are hurt in them.

Just my 2 cents on Gaming911 I have always thought that place was like the gossip tabloids and no real merritt to half the stories they release. There have been several times when they only tell half truths. They have also given great stories that were totally accurate but half the time I don't even bother to go there. Jenny is an awesome person btw

[Chips]

I certainly hope we don't have to drag that issue up today! I can only deal with one drama at a time if you will.

This is some serious **** and It's not the same as someone posting a rumor. Folks lives are involved here, but I guess it don't matter to some!

I think that I can say with certainty that they are not the owners, but I have no way to be sure. I'm with those that feel they need to step up to the plate and get everyone paid that trusted them as it relates to being exposed to Card Spike and I'm hopeful that that will happen soon. I'm not a poker affiliate and do not follow PAP closely, but I do know folks that are in the know and manage to stay informed.

Thanks for the well wishes Robin, it always seems as soon as a rougue rears it's ugly head all the other possible crap is accused unjustly.

I signed up for Cardspike in Novemeber or December and after I was begged to join, never got another contact nor an answer to email, soon after Greg was gone as AM. Where am I going?

My email that is unique to CS and never been used has never received a spam. If they had sold db's I am sure I would have been slammed.

[Tony]

Well I’m glad I didn’t even know of Cardspike and thank you very much kaus and Michael for the info.

[pgaming]

Three words: player database sale.

Now there's some factual information for those requesting some. But be quiet no one is suppose to know.

Oh Yeah and BTW if stealing and burning players is drama then I belong in a different Galaxy.
LOL

greek39

[stemat]

I am with Mike, I didn’t even know of Cardspike. Shame on who ever is not paying affiliates IMO, what goes around comes around and there day will come.
Thanks for all the information here.

[AK]

Is affiliate speed pay safe then or not?

I have had zero problems however I have not tried to process a high 5 digit figure yet either.

[MichaelCorfman]

Is affiliate speed pay safe then or not?

I have had zero problems however I have not tried to process a high 5 digit figure yet either.

My personal opinion is that affiliate speed pay is safe in terms of whether you will receive your money or not since the funds are being held on the behalf of the affiliate in a bank account belonging to the affiliate.

The area where I would have concern would be with respect to who has access to your information regarding affiliate earnings and how might that information be used. I have heard that affiliate information in the posession of affiliate speed pay has been used in marketing cardspike.

I don't know that there is anything wrong with that, but some might be uncomfortable with that information being used in that way.

Personally, Casino City has an affiliate speed pay account that we use with respect to a few programs, and although I don't much like the fact that means CAP might potentially have access to some of our financial information, it is very limited in scope, so we've chosen to take that risk to ease getting paid in the case of a few programs.

Michael

[CPReport]

I have an ASP account and card and have never heard of cardspike. ASP has been just fine so far.

[affiliatespeedpay]

My understanding is that principals at CAP, which claims to certify programs and represent affiliates, are running a rogue operation and ripping off affiliates on the side.

And they have an ownership interest in Affiliate Speed Pay too.

So you have an organization being paid by affiliate programs to help them establish new affiliate relations that is, behind the scenes, using the affiliates who are referred to them through those programs and through affiliate speed pay to promote cardspike, which is their own beneficially owned online gaming operation.
Michael

Official Statement from Affiliate Speedpay regarding FALSE, UNTRUE MISLEADING and DAMAGING postings on GPWA linking Affiliate Speedpay to Cardspike and to CAP and relating to data protection.

The false untrue and misleading posting on GPWA came to our attention today and due to the serious allegations made on the forum we are now urgently setting matters straight;

1. CARDSPIKE :Until seeing the posting on GPWA today, Affiliate Speedpay had no prior knowledge of Cardspike. Affiliate Speedpay has never had any relationship with Cardspike. Furthermore Affiliate Speedpay has no plans to have any dealings or relationship with Cardspike.


2. CAP:

• Affiliate Speedpay is not owned by CAP nor any individual associated with CAP.
• Neither CAP nor any individual associated with CAP has any shareholding or financial interest in Affiliate Speedpay
• Neither Affiliate Speedpay nor any individual associated with Affiliate Speedpay has any shareholding or financial interest or ownership in CAP
• CAP are merely a marketing partner

3. PERSONAL DATA PRTOTECTION:


Affiliate Speedpay is:

• highly protective of personal data and in compliance with European banking laws and data protection laws and
• will never share personal data with any third parties nor
• will never sell any personal data to any third party.

FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT Affiliate Speedpay has never and will never share any personal data with Cardspike nor CAP nor any persons associated with these companies or any other company.